I do agree the BRRR idea is most appealing, but finding deals seems cumbersome and requires experience to get right.I will own at least one door by the end of the year and if it goes well, will rinse and repeat as I increase my expertise in the method. 

Their pitch was to learn their method by buying into a 3-day course.

Why is it that every one adapting my methods get similar results, and when they adapt methods like the bigger companies and the like, results seem COMPLETELY random?

@Fred Winer I have heard of these methods and looked into them extensively.

Show me the data where one can conclude lists is a valid lead gen method compared to well any other form.Beck even d4d is better thsn lists because although you have to drive a lot and knock on many doors it still is relatively free.

Anyone have any insight to either of these methods?

I'll definitely research the RUBS method you mentioned above.

Hi Dhar, I am a healthcare professional and a real estate investor, I am in a process of moving 400 - 500 K from 401K to either traditional IRA or Self-directed, can you make a few suggestions and methods for RE investing and also SDIRA custodian companies.

http://www.myrealestatespot.co...Now is a great time of the year to go to Airbnb and VRBO and use Luke's "enemy method" to see if you will make money:  https://www.biggerpockets.com/...Although Airbnb has changed this somewhat, It's traditional for STRs in OC to rent by the week (usually Sat to Sat) during the summer, mid-June to early September.

Almost all issues with tenants seem to be resolved easier if you employ a method that involves the carrot and the stick.