So all it took for me to become ethical was a couple grand in loan fees?

Detroit, Metro Detroit, Grand Rapids the U.P. etc...

I don't know about your forests but in the Northwest Cedar is really high  then fir  then Hemlock then spruce .. saw log alder can bring good money occasionally.. but then you have the grand daddy of them all REDWOOD but that is a CA product.and you had big runs on Port Orford cedar that was used in Music instruments..  

Just remember that you need access to capital to keep doing deals so if you are limited on funds and tie it up in a rental property that makes you an extra few grand a year you may be limiting yourself to doing other projects.

One of my colleagues who has been doing this 25 years has picked up a grand total of three properties this way.

I found a good deal where I can make a couple grand.

taxes defiantly affects cash flow .. that’s well over 4 grand that is not going in your pocket that your property income must cover and do you think that number will go down over time ?

@Chris Tabanico I’m in the grand forks, ND area.

Although it was only a couple grand, it dropped my credit score a decent amount. 

I talked to a guy at a local REI last week, same position as you, and he had these grand plans of doing buying rentals, and moving, and flipping, AirBnB, and that, and then comparing ROI..... honestly I stopped listening because I thought he obviously just all talk--- action is what makes it happen.