It is incredible that so far nobody has actually initiated a class action lawsuit on the Groves yet.You all need to take into consideration that the Groves business model is structured teaching real estate strategies fundamentally based not he subject to and wrap models.

The one thing we all agree about is investing in Real Estate beyond us we have many different style and modes of investing.

I think my model is similar to what you are proposing, since I also included the (wholesale) "deal" with the financing.

I feel bad for those STR investors who went into full panic mode in Mid-March and converted all their STRs into year-long leases.

They did not at least give me a heads up about all the problems related to this PMThat’s terrible and not a good way of doing business.. but their model is to probably snag in new investors or OOS.  

I used to work with my brother for the last 12 years at a used car dealership and had the advantage to get wholesale cars anytime, so I had tried different brands almost every year, like flipping houses I got them a wholesale cost, than sold for more money than I got and put it back to a newer and better model. I

I have owned just before the bubble popped in Cali, I cannot stress how important it is to arm yourself with knowledge and lists, I paid for a program once, I was grossly under trained, swimming with the sharks as th...

Most information I have come across show they make more cashflow on average then the LTR model. I

The one thing we all agree about is investing in Real Estate beyond us we have many different style and modes of investing.

It looks like you are 'shotgunning' all over the place.My 'model' is newer properties in good school districts in the Phoenix AZ area.