I lean more towards Brandon Mulrenin even though I am not a heavy cold caller. 

Now I am with C21 Prime Time which I have been for thirteen days have defined my old sales skills with consistently sharpening my cold calling phone skills through attending their script and role play every Tuesday and Wednesday morning training.

Thanks Paul,I've found quite the opposite.We buy lists and cold call, buy cheap, renovate fair and sell for market value.I see investors buying crap on the MLS, spending too much on rehab and are into the property for 30% more than they would be if they just bought turnkey.But that's in my market at least.For example, we are selling B class for sub $100,000 and I'm seeing folks buying D class for $80,000 (That needs work).It's mind boggling to me and for the first time in 10+ years it got me thinking the market will go to $%@ if this keeps happening.You mentioned "No wonder we go for realtor-contractor-PM self-help way rather than blindly trusting a one-stop-shop to make the most for us".This in my opinion isn't true turnkey.It's a hybrid model that I see many doing and who is to blame if things go South?

The forums are great, local meetups, as well as cold outreach.

Factoring in the time and efforts (driving, mailers, cold calls etc) to find "off-market" deals are you really saving? 

This helps you discover the GPs and operators whose deals aligned perfectly with your investment goals.Ditching cold calls is a game-changer.

She felt sorry for the cat when it was cold out. 

There are some decent options here, but I wouldn't buy based off of these recs.I'd take these recs, narrow it down to 2-3 zipcodes, and then spend 6 months learning that market cold!

Remember with land, often you may need to owner finance the sale and that cold keep your money tied up for years and create additional expenses. 

Bank is cold about it.