Don't Dismiss Investment Opportunities Listed on the MLS

Don't Dismiss Investment Opportunities Listed on the MLS

Stuart UdisPro Member
Attorney · Philadelphia · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes

I am constantly told by investors, particularly new investors that MLS properties are bad investments and they will only purchase "off market" properties. Here's a few thoughts to think about:

1. What exactly is "off market"? Being sent a property by a real estate agent or a wholesaler that is not actively listed on the MLS? Chances are you are being sent the same property as a long list of potential buyers. Often, these buyer lists are comprised of unsophisticated buyers meaning you are competing on terms with other suitors who are poorly informed on value, cost etc.

2. Many MLS properties are initially listed for more than their true value. Frequently agents will list properties at elevated values just to get the listing. It does not mean you can't write a lower offer. Many times these lower offers with patience are accepted while other buyers pass over the properties and fail to even write the lower offer.

3. Many MLS properties are listed without full details or with inaccurate information. Many agents are lazy and do not take the time to add photos that illustrate unique characteristics, incorrectly add the unit numbers, bedroom count, or fail to verify the square footage that could be greater than the public records the MLS autopopulates.

4, Many MLS properties are listed under the incorrect categories (multi-family under the residential section, multi-family under commercial etc.).

These are just a few examples of why you can't gloss over and dismiss MLS properties. This is by no means intended to be an endorsement of working with or working without agents, wholesalers etc. Just something to chew on before you automatically dismiss MLS properties because you feel too many eyes are already on the opportunity.

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
2y
Quote from @Corby Goade:

Love this advice! Almost every property I've ever purchased has been on the MLS. Probably 80% of the deals we do for clients are on the MLS too. It's not uncommon for us to have appraisals come in 10% or more over contract price.

The data in the MLS is only as good as the agent that enters it- great point. We find amazing deals on the MLS all of the time because of this. Having an agent who really understand the market helps, though. We just closed a deal for a client on a duplex that the agent listed as a SFH. Our team recognized that it was in an area that was mostly MFH and was able to find that anamoly in the listing that most people would have missed. Got the deal done for about 25% less than retail value would have been had it just been listed in the proper category.


what I like about MLS is you can go through a normal buying process. .wholesalers want to hype their deals info is wildly incorrect.. they want up front NON refundable deposits and your not getting any of that back.. they just try to create a false sense of urgency.

MLS you take your time make your offers you can offer less you protect your EM you have inspections you can re trade within your contract time lines etc etc..MUCH more buyer protection that way.. the market will dictate the final outcome.. not a wholesaler hype machine and no real due diligence.
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  • Corby GoadeBusiness Member
    Investor · Boise, ID · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    2y

    Love this advice! Almost every property I've ever purchased has been on the MLS. Probably 80% of the deals we do for clients are on the MLS too. It's not uncommon for us to have appraisals come in 10% or more over contract price.

    The data in the MLS is only as good as the agent that enters it- great point. We find amazing deals on the MLS all of the time because of this. Having an agent who really understand the market helps, though. We just closed a deal for a client on a duplex that the agent listed as a SFH. Our team recognized that it was in an area that was mostly MFH and was able to find that anamoly in the listing that most people would have missed. Got the deal done for about 25% less than retail value would have been had it just been listed in the proper category.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Corby Goade:

    Love this advice! Almost every property I've ever purchased has been on the MLS. Probably 80% of the deals we do for clients are on the MLS too. It's not uncommon for us to have appraisals come in 10% or more over contract price.

    The data in the MLS is only as good as the agent that enters it- great point. We find amazing deals on the MLS all of the time because of this. Having an agent who really understand the market helps, though. We just closed a deal for a client on a duplex that the agent listed as a SFH. Our team recognized that it was in an area that was mostly MFH and was able to find that anamoly in the listing that most people would have missed. Got the deal done for about 25% less than retail value would have been had it just been listed in the proper category.


    what I like about MLS is you can go through a normal buying process. .wholesalers want to hype their deals info is wildly incorrect.. they want up front NON refundable deposits and your not getting any of that back.. they just try to create a false sense of urgency.

    MLS you take your time make your offers you can offer less you protect your EM you have inspections you can re trade within your contract time lines etc etc..MUCH more buyer protection that way.. the market will dictate the final outcome.. not a wholesaler hype machine and no real due diligence.
  • Bradley BuxtonBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · NV · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 713 votes
    2y

    @Stuart Udis

    This is great! Also MLS properties have sellers that are ready to sell and are selling because they have to by choice or otherwise.. Factoring in the time and efforts (driving, mailers, cold calls etc) to find "off-market" deals are you really saving? There are a lot of good deals on the MLS. We look at the entire market everyday in a mass analysis and find many deals and I'm guessing more than what comes around "off-market".

  • V.G JasonPro Member
    Investor · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    2y

    The only issue with the MLS is agents that act as gatekeepers. Granted, there's tons of issues off-market too but to me that stands out as the biggest problem with MLS. You can't get traction cause of these agents, they act like you are the certified boogeyman.

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @V.G Jason:

    The only issue with the MLS is agents that act as gatekeepers. Granted, there's tons of issues off-market too but to me that stands out as the biggest problem with MLS. You can't get traction cause of these agents, they act like you are the certified boogeyman.


    You got burnt. Easy solution: get licensed. That's what I did, because I was tired of working with agents and never finding one that knew more than me.

    Probably 90% of every deal I have ever bought was from MLS. But I also sent 6000 letters to find out what's up with off-market-magic and what I found is that they work mostly in areas where poverty and financial literacy is an issue. Milwaukee is the perfect example.

    As soon as you go into nicer neighborhoods people are smart enough to not get themselves in a situation where they get super motivated to sell their house fast for cash and also smart enough to bring it on market instead of doing a back door deal with a wholesaler. Of course there are exceptions, but that's the majority anyway.

  • Travis TimmonsPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Ellsworth, ME · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    2y

    For almost all investors, buying a property off of the MLS at market price in a good location to hold for 10-20 years is the best option.

    Without the resources to spend the money and time to find off market deals, do proper due diligence, and to fix the problems that will come from "deals" that likely have issues preventing them from going to market, it's an uphill battle for most. It's the distinction between someone with a real estate business and someone who buys real estate. If you're just an individual that buys real estate but makes primary income from another source, just buy good properties off of the MLS and hold on to 'em. 10 years from now, the purchase price doesn't mean much or really change your return.

    It's like trying to buy/trade stocks rather than index funds. If you have Bloomberg terminal and the resources to give yourself an unfair advantage, sure, go for it. For most of us, though, it's better to just buy the index and/or blue chip stocks and hold on for the long term.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
    Quote from @V.G Jason:

    The only issue with the MLS is agents that act as gatekeepers. Granted, there's tons of issues off-market too but to me that stands out as the biggest problem with MLS. You can't get traction cause of these agents, they act like you are the certified boogeyman.


    You got burnt. Easy solution: get licensed. That's what I did, because I was tired of working with agents and never finding one that knew more than me.

    Probably 90% of every deal I have ever bought was from MLS. But I also sent 6000 letters to find out what's up with off-market-magic and what I found is that they work mostly in areas where poverty and financial literacy is an issue. Milwaukee is the perfect example.

    As soon as you go into nicer neighborhoods people are smart enough to not get themselves in a situation where they get super motivated to sell their house fast for cash and also smart enough to bring it on market instead of doing a back door deal with a wholesaler. Of course there are exceptions, but that's the majority anyway.


    thats a nice way to put it Marcus.. deals are like street cars there is always another one on the next corner..

    deals come from everywhere.
  • Rental Property Investor · Canton, OH · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y

    @Jay Hinrichs

    Haha. Reminds me of a saying my friend always says when a deal fall through, "It's just a house, they build em everyday."

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Account Closed:

    @Jay Hinrichs

    Haha. Reminds me of a saying my friend always says when a deal fall through, "It's just a house, they build em everyday."


    it was my Dads RE attorney who would say that to me as a kid in the late 60s..
  • Denver, CO · Member since 2024 · 31 posts · 24 votes
    2y

    @Stuart Udis It is important to remember that the MLS is an advertisement at the end of the day. All facts, figures, and numbers must be verified such as verifying the HOA fees or the annual property taxes by looking at the city's website.

    The MLS offers a place for agents, buyers, and sellers to go so there is tremendous value there. I can understand the reasoning behind only purchasing off market properties - less competition for buyer and that often means they get more leverage. Whether a deal is "on-market" or "off-market" investors should stick to their deal box and find the best deal for them as outlined by their own unique goals and objectives. If it is a good deal, does it matter where it comes from? 

  • V.G JasonPro Member
    Investor · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
    Quote from @V.G Jason:

    The only issue with the MLS is agents that act as gatekeepers. Granted, there's tons of issues off-market too but to me that stands out as the biggest problem with MLS. You can't get traction cause of these agents, they act like you are the certified boogeyman.


    You got burnt. Easy solution: get licensed. That's what I did, because I was tired of working with agents and never finding one that knew more than me.

    Probably 90% of every deal I have ever bought was from MLS. But I also sent 6000 letters to find out what's up with off-market-magic and what I found is that they work mostly in areas where poverty and financial literacy is an issue. Milwaukee is the perfect example.

    As soon as you go into nicer neighborhoods people are smart enough to not get themselves in a situation where they get super motivated to sell their house fast for cash and also smart enough to bring it on market instead of doing a back door deal with a wholesaler. Of course there are exceptions, but that's the majority anyway.


     I just go direct to the listing agent, in states I can. And present the offer with a sign off the seller read it. Easy caveat around it, and it's been working. 

  • Manny VasquezBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Orange County · Member since 2022 · 317 posts · 293 votes
    2y

    Great advice @Stuart Udis!  I'm a real estate agent myself and I have found, and continue to find, some GREAT deals for myself and my clients on the MLS.

    I constantly find deals where the property information is are entered incorrectly, the pictures are horrible and the descriptions are worse.  I have also found deals that require minimal work yet they are priced way below market or, with the minimal work that needs to be done, can be resold for much higher.

    Like I always say, you may not find a deal each and every time you are on the MLS, but with a "trained eye" one CAN find deals on the MLS

  • Andrew SyriosPro Member
    Moderator
    Residential Real Estate Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    2y

    We've gotten some of our best deals on the MLS. That being said, they were almost all back when the market was flooded with REOs (2010-2014). Since then, occasionally one will slip through, but they are few and far between.

  • Jake AndronicoBusiness Member
    Realtor · Reno, NV · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 938 votes
    2y

    @Stuart Udis

    So true. I've seen many people wildly overpay for properties off-market. Wholesalers have lists of hundreds, thousands, and sometimes tens of thousands of investors. 

    There are a ton of opportunities on-market (we see them daily), and it's almost always free to write an offer :) 

  • Member since 2022 · 11 posts · 4 votes
    2y

    @V.G Jason can you elaborate on this sign off? Is it on the bottom of the agreement? Docusign or hand signature? 

    Ever have an agent blow you off or can they get in trouble for not presenting?

  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    2y

    I've bought all of my places through MLS. I'm sure you can get some better deals avoiding MLS and buying direct from the seller, but that doesn't mean it is the only way to do it.

  • Andrew SyriosPro Member
    Moderator
    Residential Real Estate Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Corby Goade:

    Love this advice! Almost every property I've ever purchased has been on the MLS. Probably 80% of the deals we do for clients are on the MLS too. It's not uncommon for us to have appraisals come in 10% or more over contract price.

    The data in the MLS is only as good as the agent that enters it- great point. We find amazing deals on the MLS all of the time because of this. Having an agent who really understand the market helps, though. We just closed a deal for a client on a duplex that the agent listed as a SFH. Our team recognized that it was in an area that was mostly MFH and was able to find that anamoly in the listing that most people would have missed. Got the deal done for about 25% less than retail value would have been had it just been listed in the proper category.


    what I like about MLS is you can go through a normal buying process. .wholesalers want to hype their deals info is wildly incorrect.. they want up front NON refundable deposits and your not getting any of that back.. they just try to create a false sense of urgency.

    MLS you take your time make your offers you can offer less you protect your EM you have inspections you can re trade within your contract time lines etc etc..MUCH more buyer protection that way.. the market will dictate the final outcome.. not a wholesaler hype machine and no real due diligence.

    It's harder to find really good deals with built-in equity on the MLS, but it's also much easier to avoid making mistakes and buying turds and money pits.

  • V.G JasonPro Member
    Investor · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Andrew Gavre:

    @V.G Jason can you elaborate on this sign off? Is it on the bottom of the agreement? Docusign or hand signature? 

    Ever have an agent blow you off or can they get in trouble for not presenting?

    I add an addendum. If the agent blows me off for more than 24 hours, I get it delivered to the original seller by hand through a carrier. It's happened once. And yes, the seller & I on that one agreed to terms, funny how that works.
  • Scott TrenchPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    2y

    MLS is a great way to build wealth for many. 4 / 5 of my properties were purchased off the MLS. The other was a pocket listing from a local agent.

    If the goal is to make hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars over decades, great deals that can assist in that journey can be found all day long on the MLS.

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