And for brand value I'd argue there is no "nike" of PMc, so many can fluff the feathers and cluck how great there brand value is but I say show me the client stream coming purely from brand, I call BS to that "cluck", and say it's open air and opportunity for any to create brand value in a market and take market share where there is any lacking options in PMc quality or availability. 

Usually, you'll end up with some hybrid between pure self-insurance and purchased coverage. 

Ultimately, it seems like it is purely up to me whether I would like to build a relationship with anyone in the group and whether I will get anything worthwhile out of the group based on what I put into the connections present in the group. 

As a vendor, hundreds of our clients are property management companies (from mom and pops with 50 doors to PURE & HRG with tens of thousands under management).

It is pure data and that is why it WILL work for anyone willing to learn how to read, use and interpret that data and apply!

A few cities in Denver actually allow non-owner occupied vacation rentals (pure investment STRs), and then there's Parker, alone in its outright ban of them.MTRs are an interesting choice.

I've seen this happen... not between a borrower and lender, but in other business situations where an attorney brought a suit against both the LLC and the individual members of the LLC.Of course, if the lawsuit has no merit and is a pure act of desparation, it seems to be a waste of funds for the borrower when discussing options with the lender could work towards a viable solution.

They are no income and no doc and are underwritten purely based on the market rent of the property .

Is the $10k+ monthly cashflow purely cashflow, or is that amortization as well?

I still get cash flow - maybe less than if I bought for pure cash flow - but I've tripled my actual cash invested.