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All Forum Posts by: Zachary McDonough

Zachary McDonough has started 44 posts and replied 97 times.

Post: What I wish Pace Morby would have told me

Zachary McDonough
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Accokeek, MD
  • Posts 106
  • Votes 84
Quote from @Scott Gaspar:
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Scott Gaspar:
Quote from @Zachary McDonough:

Creative financing is like thinking outside the box when it comes to buying or selling a house. It's all about finding alternative ways to structure the deal that works for both the buyer and the seller.

One popular method is called "subject-to," or subto for short. Basically, it means that instead of getting a new loan, the buyer takes over the existing mortgage payments. They're still responsible for making those monthly payments, but they don't have to go through the whole process of getting a new loan. It can be super handy if someone can't qualify for a traditional mortgage or just wants to avoid all the hassle and fees.

Another cool option is seller financing. Picture this: the seller becomes the lender! Instead of going to a bank, the buyer makes payments directly to the seller. It's like cutting out the middleman. This can be a win-win situation because the buyer gets some flexibility and the seller gets regular cash flow.

You can see how our current interest rate market has made it tough to pencil out deals. So taking the creative approach can help ease the exit strategy, which (for me) is buy-n-holds. According to Google search engine, the average rates (as of 5/19/23) are 7.521%. So creative financing at a rate even 1% below the average can drastically affect your exit strategy. (FYI, an exit strategy is a fancy way of your plan for the property, like sell, rent, flip, etc)

So when I started seeing all these videos from Pace Morby about how I could buy investment property at 2020 interest rates with no credit, no experience, and no money, I got excited!! However, I’ll give you a small spoiler alert, it didn’t pan out as I defined it in the beginning.

How things started:

  • 30 day close
  • $6,000-$9,000 in expected closing costs
  • $50,000 rehab costs
  • Interest rate: 3.125%

When we started this process, it was early December. In fact, it was 3 days prior to me having my shoulder reconstructed, which might be part of why this deal was stressful. The lender was Carrington Mortgage Services. One of the first things, I did was talk to the lender prior to signing the contract. Over the phone, I received approval to access the seller’s mortgage information (ie rates, loan term, etc) by the verbal approval of the seller. We asked several questions about how seamless the experience would be. They assured us that it would take more steps than normal but would result in about 30 days close.

Once the seller and I talked a bit, we set out to close in 35 days…

First rule: be more conservative if you can. Try to get better margins on your risks. Worried about losing money? Find reasons to ask the seller for a price decrease. Worried about not closing on time? Create a buffer.

Well, anyways, as soon as we were assigned our loan officer. He laughed and said that there’d be no way we could close in 30 days but expected it to be worst case 60 days. So the seller agreed to the extension, because of limited options. So we proceeded on. As we approached 60 days, the bank very slowly asked for more paperwork after claiming several times that we were set. So it was clear to me, 60 days wasn’t going to happen.

So we marched on. We were supposed to close on January 5th, but we extended it to late February. When late February wasn’t going to happen, we extended it to March 15th. The bank had a forbearance agreement with the seller, so we figured if we could close before the agreement expired (March), we’d successfully close this deal. Now, in case you don’t know, forbearance is basically a pause on mortgage payments. The bank allows you some time to catch up. This has become increasingly popular since COVID.

As we entered March, the bank continued to fumble over what paperwork we needed. Between mid-February and mid-March, I emailed or called nearly once a day to our assigned loan processor/officer for updates. They would respond rarely but I could tell we were progressing but not at a rapid rate.

Another lesson: I quickly learned that the banks had very little motivation in the assumption process. They clearly were not profiting off this transaction, which unfortunately gave me very little ability or leverage to make demands since they did NOT care at all. It’s clear to me that banks do not make much money in the maintenance of loans or buying loans in the secondary market (as Carrington Mortgage Services does), which leads me to question why anyone would want to run a business like that. But one of the three of YOU still reading this may be able to answer that. Regardless, let’s continue.

When we were exiting the first week of March, I was hammering the lender, telling them that they were at risk of losing the transaction (an empty threat). I hammered on saying, “You need to produce the TRID CD.” For those interested, traditional lenders have to produce CD or closing disclosures 3 days before closing to allow buyers to review them for error. Trust me they are needed. I caught a ton of errors in their CD!

Well, finally, we got a CD, which allowed us to close as soon as they sent the closing package to title. Well, they couldn’t produce that package until the day of closing, which wasn’t till 3/22. So yes, you guessed it!! We had to get the seller to sign another extension. So finally we reach the settlement day, title sent us the ALTA, and my jaw drops.

The ALTA settlement sheet says the seller has to pay money. A lot of money. Like $1,200. So I talked to my title company, PR Title Group. (Btw, I highly recommend them. Whet and Tamra are fantastic. ) PR title says they inputted the closing numbers from the bank. Then, the bank claims that title is wrong. Well, surprise, surprise, the bank messed up yet again! The closing numbers were way higher than expected though! We had to bring her mortgage current. We also had to file a quit claim deed due to the way the deal had to be structured per VA assumption, according to the bank.

But guess what we closed!!

How things ended:

  • 30 day close
  • $23,000 in closing costs
  • $50,000 rehab costs
  • Interest rate: 3.125%

Why would we want to close if the closing costs double? Can’t you see why not everyone would want to do this? It may sound easy but it’s not. It takes a lot of problem-solving. It takes immense faith in the process and your own ability.

It’s not easy but it’s worth it. Here’s why we are okay with the new cost:

  • Purchase price: $246,000
  • Mortgage: $1450/mo (PITI included)
  • ARV: $380,000
  • Rehab costs: $50,000
  • All-in costs: $73,000
  • Gross rent: $2600/month
  • Gross cashflow: $1150/month
  • ROI: 18.90%

Not bad in my opinion. Some of the value in this property is my experience. I learned so much about how these things worked. I stayed up late researching. I fought hard to make a deal work for the seller. We provided a great solution to a seller in need. Now, you may be asking, “Would you do it again?” And I would answer, “Heck yeah.”

Expectations would be set and the deal would be a lot easier. Last lesson: In life, raising the bar for yourself starts with lowering the bar for everyone else. Be accountable, take ownership, and don’t expect it all to happen overnight.

Your real estate friend,

Zack McDonough


 Probably a dumb question but does anyone know of Pace posts on the forum? 


 No his henchmen do it for him! Kind of like a mafia capo or cartel boss. Keeping their hands off the product. 

Lol, happy I’m not the only one that sees it this way, call me crazy but with all this attention to subto id be willing to bet we see a significant increase ins due on sale clauses being called 

 10000000%%%

Post: What I wish Pace Morby would have told me

Zachary McDonough
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Accokeek, MD
  • Posts 106
  • Votes 84
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Don Konipol:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Zachary McDonough:
Quote from @Scott Gaspar:
Quote from @Zachary McDonough:
Quote from @Vince Mayer:

This is not a sub 2 deal. This is a VA assumption.


 Explain how they are different. I must be ignorant. Because upon talking with Pace Morby students, I was under the impression that it is a form of sub to.


In a sub2 the loan stays in the sellers name, in an assumption the loan is changed to the buyers name. Typically only VA, FHA, and USDA loans are assumable, from my research


 For this assumption, the loan still stayed in the seller's name. I was added to the loan as well, but the lender disclosures were clear that the seller was still on the hook if we defaulted.

@Don Konipol   maybe Don has seen this  but I have never seen an assumption where the seller stays on the loan and you the buyer goes on the loan in as co borrowers.. I wonder if there is some confusion some where.  But either way seems like a nice deal for you.

Assumption without release of liability. I think this was done by FHA about 40 years ago. Amazing what comes back once the interest rate environment changes. 

Your Comment: "We had to bring her mortgage current."

It sounds more like a formalized loan modification, putting a co-borrower on the loan, bringing the loan current, to take it out of pre-foreclosure status. She probably didn't qualify on her own.


Definitely not a Subject To and not an Assumption. 

That's the danger of using sophisticated techniques when not properly trained. When it looks like a duck but you buy a rattlesnake. Now what do you do? Pretty serious mistake and the troubles that are to follow. What if the seller holds you hostage for your profits, won't cooperate and you are stuck with a partner you didn't want? Plus tax issues, plus occupancy, you can't evict her she is still on title and on the loan, you can't sell unless she is willing to sell and available to sign, if she dies you have an inherited partner, plus . . .

Once the stress is relieved, then begins the greed

Although this isn't a Subject To, for the lurkers, 

Here's a post I did on Subject To that may help avoid some problems

Using Subject To, to Get "Free" Properties

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/1060320-using-subject-to-to-get-free-properties-a-quick-guideline


 Okay, while I appreciate your input, it is definitely an assumption. I am unsure about what trul defines a subto. 

In response to your "bring her mortgage current" comment, we did this through a processing fee paid at closing. It certainly wasn't hostile or taken hostage. 

It is liable for the mortgage but is NOT on title (ie like a typical assumption/subto).

I will read your article and would love to discuss ways I could improve on my creative finance with you. Thanks for your input.

Post: DOOM LOOP: Fed's new rate hike brings it to a 22-year high

Zachary McDonough
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Accokeek, MD
  • Posts 106
  • Votes 84
Quote from @Theresa Harris:

Our rates in Canada are also at a 22 year high. The thing is for much of the last 22 years (aside from a 2 year period around 2006-2008), the interest rates were really low.  Where they are now is where they normally were.

for house prices, it depends on inventory, sales and price of the home.  More expensive homes may be harder to sell, then again people want bigger, so it may be someone buying their second or third home who has the money to buy those.  In my small town, I see less expensive homes selling quickly, higher priced homes sitting on the market as well as some either rentals or first time buyers (ie duplex, townhouse) going on the market.


 Our inventory is down but DOM is up for similar reasons!!

Post: DOOM LOOP: Fed's new rate hike brings it to a 22-year high

Zachary McDonough
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Accokeek, MD
  • Posts 106
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Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

Buying and selling as usual. I never let the market determine what I do. When rates are higher (they're still not very high) then other things are lower...

Always many ways to make money in any market. People always have and always will. If anything, a scary market will keep all the newbies and lookie-loos away, leaving more room for real investors.


 This is why I wrote this. Over the past year, I have closed more deals since the lookie-loos are gone. I've nearly doubled my portfolio (only 7 houses total).

Post: DOOM LOOP: Fed's new rate hike brings it to a 22-year high

Zachary McDonough
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Accokeek, MD
  • Posts 106
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Quote from @Jaron Walling:

I'm completely over the idea of a recession. I don't know a single person that believes we're currently in a recession or going into one. All of my peers are traveling, taking vacations, working 9-5 jobs, and SPENDING MONEY. In my opinion the FED is doing a decent job of handling the inflation. That's a mute point though as smart investors don't wait around for government to do something. 

Can you find a market with housing supply going up drastically? Every neighborhood in our market has like 12 houses for sale, and 98% of them don't meet our buy [box] criteria (flip or LTR). We want to BUY but hunt is incredibly hard. These prices are locked in. I don't see much changing in 2023. 


In my market, there's hardly any inventory. Prices are up around 4% YoY. Super hard to find buy box listings on the MLS. Some are occasionally be found but we are getting beat out.

and completely over the idea? I am pretty sure we won't have one but I still think its possible. I would love to hear your thoughts.

Post: DOOM LOOP: Fed's new rate hike brings it to a 22-year high

Zachary McDonough
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Alrighty...these seems gloomy. I've been seeing tons of headlines about new highs for rates. People are super scared, but there's one thing that I can think about...

IT WILL BE CRAZY HARD TO FIND DEALS IN 18-24 MONTHS FROM NOW...

Guys, in case you don't know, these high rates will inevitably throw us into some type of recession, minor or not. Some may argue that we are currently in a recession. That's above my pay grade so I won't argue that.

Either way, BUYING IS HARDER NOW...due to high rates, but I assure people want to buy so we have pent up demand.

We as real estate investors know that recession don't always equal housing crisis's or falling prices. According to CoreLogic, the last 6 US recessions have not experienced hardly any price drops (other 2008).


If you're anything like me, you need to buy more houses to keep your business growing. So when I hear these reports, I need to buy now more than ever. In 18-24 months, the rate environment will be different. Lower rates means that buyers will flood the market, raising prices. Buying deals now will make life better later.


But I want to hear what you think. Will prices fall? Are you waiting to buy?

Post: What 21 Teenagers Taught Me This Week

Zachary McDonough
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  • Accokeek, MD
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Quote from @Scott Mac:

If they are well behaved kids, maybe some of them would have enjoyed a BB Gun competition, where they get 10 BB's (per round) and get to shoot at 10 red balloons on a card board backing so many feet away. With a few rounds of (elimination) shooting, and the top 3 getting some desirable prizes, plus a zonk prize for last place. just keep dropping the low scores each round until you get to 3 winners. Then follow that with a hot dogs on sticks roast with Smores for desert. That might make for some additional camaraderie.


 Well said !! Most of them are well-behaved. 

Post: What 21 Teenagers Taught Me This Week

Zachary McDonough
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Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Zachary McDonough:

Did you know BiggerPockets has a blog section? The forums should be used for asking questions and sharing answers. The Blog is more suitable for sharing unsolicited articles.


 Hey, I am unaware of how I can post blog to it

Post: What 21 Teenagers Taught Me This Week

Zachary McDonough
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Hey everyone, I am trying to give regular updates on the market, SoMD happenings, news, and personal updates via weekly email/forum posts. Last week I skipped my weekly email, because my wife and I (along with other youth leaders) took 21 teens to an overnight camp for five days. Yup… I know what you are thinking. Yes! It was exhausting but extremely fulfilling. It was amazing to watch the kids worship, learn, grow, and serve throughout the week.

What impressed me was how much the kids taught me about me…

Every day, the leaders and I hung out with these kids, some we knew very well and some not at all. As we got further along in the week, it became so obvious to me that our environment is directly related to our behavior.

Let me explain: known kids who were exceptionally shy and reserved became very outgoing and open at camp. This is a single focal point that I will use to illustrate how our environment changes us. In my opinion, these camps are specifically designed to manufacture an environment for growth in youths. Kids love fun. So that’s a major element to camp that leads to kids being open to expressing themselves freely. Certain kids from our youth group who hardly ever speak were talking my ears off. HAHA. During “large group” (definition: resembling a church service, takes place in an auditorium), music would set the scene, where the band would play 2-4 songs and all would sing along. Afterwards, the speaker would give a keynote of sorts, and the band would come back out. This large group structure remained the same all week, once in the AM and in the PM. However, it was clear that the music-message-music moved everyone in a way that the most reserved students or leaders would share about their experiences and struggles in their present condition.

So, why do I share all of this with you? How does any of this matter?

Camp is the ideal environment for the student’s growth, what’s your ideal growth environment? Where are you your best self?

I used to have no idea, too…

First, I looked up the definition for “environment”

In their real world, some of our environment we’ve created and some we haven’t. My mom always taught me that we control about 5% of our environment and life but the way we take care of the 5% affects the 95% of our “uncontrolled” environment.

For the last two years, I’ve been working on ways to build a better environment for me to operate in. I’ve learned a very basic, flexible structure that alters my environment for my body, mind, and spirit.

To give credit where it’s due, I learned this from Hal Elrod, author of the Miracle Morning. It’s called SAVERS.

S - silence

A - affirmations

V - visualization

E - exercise

R - reading

S - scripting

SAVERS paralleled with the teen camps, it’s easy to identify the similarities.

Silence is a brief time free of distractions. For me, this is typically prayer and meditation. For others, it might be a quiet carride. In my experience, closed-eyes yield the best ROI on calming your mind and preparing for daily challenges.

Affirmations are ways to build your environment in ways that they do or do not currently exist. For example, depending on my physical environment, I state outloud or to myself positive statements. Change your environment, change you. Tell yourself that you are good at real estate till you become good at real estate (or whatever that interests). Now before we move on, I want to be clear that affirmations will not make you good at your “real estate” but align your attitude with someone who can be good at your thing.

Visualization is being clear about a specific overarching goal. My people would call it their WHY. So visualization is solemnly thinking/picturing your WHY. It’s important to be specific. Imagining the specific details engages your mind deeper.

Simply stated, Exercise is about getting your body moving daily.

Like Camp, Reading is your daily message. What are you filling your brain with? Things that help or hurt you. Read 10 pages a day for 90 days and tell me if it does not impact you. It does. Trust me.

My Scripting is super simple: 3 things that I am grateful for and one thing that would make my day great if I completed it (never put more than 3 things on this or your day will suck!!).

Can you see how things can improve the way you view the world? You can take ownership over your environment. You can become more self-aware. You can slowly grow yourself, one day at a time.

There’s a solid majority of you reading this (if you made it this far) who believe this message does not apply to you. Your brain has already marked it “N/A”. But you’re wrong.

Change your environment, change you.

Your real estate friend,

Zack

Post: Interest only: Good or Bad thing?

Zachary McDonough
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Accokeek, MD
  • Posts 106
  • Votes 84

Guys, lately I've been catching a lot of flack for my last seller finance deal...

Our seller offered 5% interest only for 7 years...I jumped at it. But, some people think interest only is dangerous. 

Pros: 

- more cashflow

- lower rate than average rate (~7% now, higher for investors)

Cons:

- No principal paydown (kills one of the main real estate benefits)

- Balloon payment


What are your thoughts?