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All Forum Posts by: Zach Howard

Zach Howard has started 12 posts and replied 115 times.

Post: Class C: Personal loan for 200k, should I use it for multiple down payments, or...?

Zach HowardPosted
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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Zach Howard

when you say a 'personal loan' at that interest rate - that must be a friends and family thing, right?  no one is commercially loaning at that interest rate right now.  and even for friends and family, that's more of a favor than a loan...

you asked not to sugarcoat, so here goes.  what you're proposing, while possible, is incredibly difficult and highly risky, and i don't know how you would do it completely remotely with no plans to visit or set up a team.

i think i've said this in other posts, but there is tremendous demand for inventory right now among both retail buyers and investors. to BRRRR something, you need a goldilocks property - something distressed enough that it can be bought substantially below market, but not so distressed that it can't be repaired. everyone wants those deals, and so you're competing remotely / from your computer against experienced investors in person in any market you'd pick.  on the chance that something comes to you somehow - you'd have to snap it up / put it under contract immediately, and again, that's very difficult to do remotely.  as an example, you'd have to do something different than this:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/963/topics/1195280-expe...

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/1137397-balti...

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/1137397-balti...

i am trying to do the same thing locally, in person, and it's difficult.  everything on and off market gets multiple offers almost immediately.  and if it's sitting, and you see it, it means everyone else passed on it.  what does that tell you?

on your second question - you're proposing 100% financing.  you'll be cash flow negative / losing money, potentially for years and years.  it's your money, so if you find something in a market you believe in and want to try to hold it very long term, OK - but again, it will be many years before you recoup all the interest you'd be paying.  i don't think that makes any sense - there are investments that make money - but YMMV.

hope this helps

Your talking financial suicide.. Class C from half way around the world fully levered.. U will go broke that I can basically assure you or at least 90% chance this will not work and you will lose money.

U would be better off making loans with that 3% 4% money at 10 to 12% and make the interest rate delta pick very good borrowers and let them take the risk on the assets.. Thats what i would do.. BE the BANK.. 


 You know seeing people complaining about interest rates elsewhere has really made me think of exactly that thing, borrow as much as I can, and even get friends to borrow at the lower interest rates here (assuming they qualify) and then arbitrage my way to profits. However, too many risks with that, and too many regulations I guess... I'm not a financial lender or whatever the legal term is. 

If possible, can you recommend something real estate-related? What would you do with the 200k? I don't think I can reap the same benefits from notes that I can from owning property. There are no write-offs for decpreciation, no continuous rent payments and so on.

I appreciate your reply.

Post: Class C: Personal loan for 200k, should I use it for multiple down payments, or...?

Zach HowardPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Hong Kong
  • Posts 123
  • Votes 42
Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Zach Howard

when you say a 'personal loan' at that interest rate - that must be a friends and family thing, right?  no one is commercially loaning at that interest rate right now.  and even for friends and family, that's more of a favor than a loan...

you asked not to sugarcoat, so here goes.  what you're proposing, while possible, is incredibly difficult and highly risky, and i don't know how you would do it completely remotely with no plans to visit or set up a team.

i think i've said this in other posts, but there is tremendous demand for inventory right now among both retail buyers and investors. to BRRRR something, you need a goldilocks property - something distressed enough that it can be bought substantially below market, but not so distressed that it can't be repaired. everyone wants those deals, and so you're competing remotely / from your computer against experienced investors in person in any market you'd pick.  on the chance that something comes to you somehow - you'd have to snap it up / put it under contract immediately, and again, that's very difficult to do remotely.  as an example, you'd have to do something different than this:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/963/topics/1195280-expe...

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/1137397-balti...

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/1137397-balti...

i am trying to do the same thing locally, in person, and it's difficult.  everything on and off market gets multiple offers almost immediately.  and if it's sitting, and you see it, it means everyone else passed on it.  what does that tell you?

on your second question - you're proposing 100% financing.  you'll be cash flow negative / losing money, potentially for years and years.  it's your money, so if you find something in a market you believe in and want to try to hold it very long term, OK - but again, it will be many years before you recoup all the interest you'd be paying.  i don't think that makes any sense - there are investments that make money - but YMMV.

hope this helps


 It's not a loan from family and friends, it's a bank loan from a local bank in Hong Kong. Interest rates here tend to be lower than elsewhere (I have no clue as to why), and therefore to me it's appealing to borrow everything I can here and use it in the US assuming I can find deals where the numbers make sense. I'm sure it's hard to find, I'm sure there will need to be some luck involved, but whatever, I'll be patient and see what appears on my radar. 

I wasn't strictly referring to a BRRRR strategy, because I guess in class C neighborhoods their may not be that much room for appreciation anyway. So perhaps not fixing them up to such a high standard that they will appraise at a significantly higher value, but so that they will be liveable to tentative tenants. The reason I mentioned DSCR loans is because if a property I buy and bring up to rent ready standards then starts cash flowing, rather than waiting to collect enough cash from the rents before I start on another property I'd like to accelerate the process by getting an additional loan and putting that money to work elsewhere - haha, I hope I'm making sense. I'll only take the DSCR loan if the property can still cash flow, even if it's not that stellar and only slightly positive.

I don't plan to visit, but I definitely plan to set up a team. A nice tip I got in a youtube video recently is once you've identified a market you wish to invest in, the first member of your so-called team should be other investors in the same market, especially those who are doing something the same or similar as you. If you can befriend and connect with them you can "borrow/steal" their resources such as reputable contractors, agents etc. I haven't 100% narrowed down my market yet, but once I do, I'll aim to connect with investors first, seek advice and recommendations and go about building my team this way. 

Why would I be cash flow negative and losing money for years and years? The original loan will be paid off in 5 years, then the only expenses will be things like repairs/maintenance, property taxes etc - haha, or is there something I'm missing and not thinking about? 

And, every one of your posts has been helpful to me so far. Thank you.

Post: New, hungry, eager to start while also patient. Large risk appetite.

Zach HowardPosted
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@Drew Sygit

Oh, I forgot to ask - any free tool recommendations for determining the various classes of neighborhoods in different regions? So, not necessarily Detroit, but other locations such as Des Moines, IA, and Augusta, GA etc.?

Post: New, hungry, eager to start while also patient. Large risk appetite.

Zach HowardPosted
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Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Zach Howard some copy & paste advice below:)

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Recommend you first figure out the property Class you want to invest in, THEN figure out the corresponding location to invest in.

Property Class will typically dictate the Class of tenant you get, which greatly IMPACTS rental income stability and property maintenance/damage by tenants.

If you apply Class A assumptions to a Class B or C purchase, your expectations won’t be met and it may be a financial disaster.

If you buy/renovate a property in Class D area to Class A standards, what quality of tenant will you get?

Similarly, if you put several Class D tenants in a Class A 4-plex, what do you think will happen to the property?

So, when investing in areas they don’t really know, investors should research the different property Class submarkets.

Here’s our OPINION for the Metro Detroit market (use as a template for your target area!) that we’ve learned in our 24 years, managing almost 700 doors across the Metro Detroit area, including almost 100 S8 leases:

Class A Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, 3-5 years for positive cashflow, but you get highest relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% the more recent norm.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 680+ (roughly 5% probability of default), zero evictions in last 7 years.

Class B Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, decent amount of relative rent & value appreciation.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, 5% should be applied only if proper research done to support.
Tenant Pool: Majority will have FICO scores of 620-680 (around 10% probability of default), some blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 5 years

Class C Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, high cashflow and at the lower end of relative rent & value appreciation. Can try to reposition to Class B, but neighborhood may impede these efforts.
Vacancy Est: Historically 10%, but 15-20% should be used to also cover tenant nonpayment, eviction costs & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores of 560-620 (approaching 22% probability of default), many blemishes, but should have no evictions in last 2 years. Verifying last 2 years of rental history very important! Also, focus on 2 years of job/income stability.

Class D Properties:
Cashflow vs Appreciation: Typically, all cashflow with little, maybe even negative, relative rent & value appreciation
Vacancy Est: 20%+ should be used to cover nonpayment, evictions & damages.
Tenant Pool: majority will have FICO scores under 560 (almost 30% probability of default), little to no good tradelines, lots of collections & chargeoffs, recent evictions. Verifying last 2 years of rental history and income extremely important to find the “best of the worst”.

Make sure you understand the Class of properties you are looking at and the corresponding results to expect.

The City of Detroit has 183 Neighborhoods we’ve analyzed.

DM us if you’d like to discuss this logical approach in greater detail!


 I'm interested in class C, and also class B depending on the price of deals I can find. Solid advice about using the relevant assumptions and strategies for the various classes. 

Post: Anyone investing in Des Moines, Iowa - let's connect!

Zach HowardPosted
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I'm completely new to real estate investing, and I'm still trying to narrow down and choose a location to invest. Considering that I went to university in Des Moines, I'm considering investing there. 

What do you think of Des Moines? Any areas where you think good cash flowing deals can be found? I've been away for many years, so I'm sure things have changed drastically. 

Also, is there any legislation or regulation with respect to STR? STR are not something that I'm super interested in, but before I make any investment I like to consider as many options as possible.

Also looking for recommendations for agents, contractors, property managers, handymen, bankers etc.

Thanks! 

Post: New, hungry, eager to start while also patient. Large risk appetite.

Zach HowardPosted
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Quote from @Avrom W. Smith:

Hey @Zach Howard,

Happy to connect with you and put you in touch with some solid individuals in Augusta, GA. Let me know if you're still looking at Augusta, GA. Feel free to DM and we'll connet.

Thanks!


 I'm definitely still looking at it, but one concern is the population growth, it seems to be decreasing slightly? 

Post: Seller finance question

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Quote from @Guillermo Perez:

Does anyone have experience with seller finance? There is a house near mine that is abandoned. I got a hold of the owner by looking up his information on the county website. I asked if he was willing to sell the house cash? I was planning on doing a BRRR. I would use my HELOC to make the purchase and rehab. The owner said he would sell but at a very high price. Here's the details:

ARV- $210- $220K

Rent: about $1,900/month

3 beds/ 2 baths

Needs: New roof, New HVAC, New fence, Minot touch ups inside like paint and cabinet touch ups.

Rehab- About $40k

I offered $140K and he countered with $190K. Should I stop pursuing or is there a way to get this deal through seller finance?


 Only do the deal if the numbers make sense. Another poster mentioned seeking seller finance with 3% interest, if the numbers work, make the offer. If they don't work, walk away and don't try to force it. No need to be emotionally attached to any property, or the time you invested in finding this "deal"

Post: Long Distance BRRRR in Ohio

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Quote from @Su Pak:

Hi Martti, I've just completed my first BRRRR in Canton. I'd be happy to share my resources if you're interested. DM me. Good luck! :)


 Is it still cash flowing after the refinance? 

Post: Long Distance BRRRR in Ohio

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Quote from @Alex Bekeza:

@Martti Eckert I live in Los Angeles and have done a handful of BRRRRs in Missouri so feel free to reach out with any lending related questions to pulling off BRRRRs in Ohio. 


 I don't mean to hijack the thread, but is it ok to connect? I'm interested in talking to people who have experience in out-of-state investing, regardless of the strategy. Thanks. 

Post: Class C: Personal loan for 200k, should I use it for multiple down payments, or...?

Zach HowardPosted
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First of all, feel free to make any and all comments you wish; there's no need to sugarcoat anything. I appreciate almost any feedback where the poster makes a sincere attempt to share their opinion, regardless of what it might be. Thanks.

I really like the idea of using OPM to invest. Here is my current situation - I can probably secure a personal loan for about 200k at around a 3-4% interest rate with a 5-year tenor. Repaying this shouldn't be a problem assuming I don't suddenly lose my job.

I am thinking about starting off in some class C neighborhoods and will be handling everything remotely. Perhaps I'll try to acquire around 3 properties in cash deals that need fixing up, rent them out, and then hold onto them... forever? Based on my previous investing history (completely unrelated to real estate), I would describe myself as a buy-and-hold kind of guy. Hopefully, things will go relatively smoothly with the rehab, vetting tenants, and so on. If the rent stabilizes, I can then consider refinancing these properties using DSCR or other valid options (please educate me, and let me know what other options you think are valid). What are your thoughts on this plan?

Alternatively, do you think it might be better to use the 200k to make down payments on higher-quality homes, i.e., ones that are almost rent-ready, and finance the remainder of those purchases with DSCR, etc.?

I'm entirely new to real estate investing, but I have a high risk appetite because I have seen other people achieve amazing things that many say cannot be done. I often look at them and think if they can do it, probably I can have some level of success too.

Other key info I may have left out above:
1) I am not in the US, and have no plans to visit or move there
2) I am not a US citizen, but possibly have a credit history there (maybe none) since I attended university there many many years ago
3) I am completely new to real estate - I've been reading crazily and consuming lots of content. Next step will be to start analyzing deals for practice and asking others for feedback on my analysis. Once I've done that multiple times and I'm getting positive feedback on my numbers it will be time to begin the real journey. 

Thoughts please. Thanks again.