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All Forum Posts by: Zachary Paschke

Zachary Paschke has started 0 posts and replied 163 times.

Post: Paradigm Life, Infinite Banking, Whole Life Insurance

Zachary PaschkePosted
  • Scranton, PA
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 137
Originally posted by @Steve H.:

If we are not American or living in USA, where can we get "infinite banking" through Whole life insurance? (p.s. i'm a British expat) 

The principals are pretty simple. You’re just looking for a whole life insurance policy that pays a dividend that allows you some significant paid-up additions (the extra cash you put into the cash value of the policy). 

If you have any ties to the US, it’s possible to get a US policy otherwise you’ll have to buy local. 

Post: mortgage life insurance

Zachary PaschkePosted
  • Scranton, PA
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 137
Originally posted by @Mike S.:

@Zachary Paschke

I agree with you but that is what this mortgage policy looks like. The lender seems to have it bundled to his offer. Something that I wouldn’t recommend as you should shop for your own policy independently from the lender as your goals are not aligned.

Oh, he's saying he's shopping for the coverage. Are you describing PMI (private mortgage insurance)? That is obviously something that gets wrapped up into the mortgage, but there's no benefit to the homeowner in PMI. It only benefits the lender.

Post: mortgage life insurance

Zachary PaschkePosted
  • Scranton, PA
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 137
Originally posted by @Mike S.:

Sounds like a term life insurance for the life of the mortgage with a decreasing death benefit for the amount of the mortgage. You can probably get this coverage independently from the lender chosen.

Mike, I don’t usually recommend a policy that decreases over time to only cover your mortgage. They’re often as expensive, if not more expensive than traditional level term policies that will pay more than the mortgage in the future. They can also be tough for people with certain health conditions to obtain. 

Post: mortgage life insurance

Zachary PaschkePosted
  • Scranton, PA
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 137
Originally posted by @Robert Earl:

I recently decided to buy my dream home. My wife and I have been saving for a while now for this. But we have come to a halt point where we are confused on which and how to select. There have been several companies available offering different services. We went through each and came across a website where there is an option for mortgage life insurance. The information provided made us impressed. But we have never hired companies from such platforms before, especially for this particular reason. Could someone help and advise me on what all to consider when availing of such services?

 Hi Robert! Your best is a basic term life policy. “Mortgage Protection” coverage is often more expensive than simple term coverage. There are still options without a medical exam if that’s something you need. 

I recommend people get policies with living benefits so you can get some of your money before you pass if you’re critically, chronically, or terminally ill. 

Good luck! I’m here if you have any questions! 

Post: Searching for skeptics

Zachary PaschkePosted
  • Scranton, PA
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 137
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

OK.  Let's look at actual numbers.

1 - How much are you talking about putting in that\s cash?

2 - How often do you have to add cash to it?

 Good point Joe. There is going to be a minimum amount you can pay based on your death benefit. To maximize your tax effectiveness the IRS wants you to pay into a policy for at least 7 years - but there’s all kinds of gray area there. You can purchase a whole life policy with one payment, but you’ll loose tax benefits if you borrow against it. If you just want it to pay when you pass (and you’re not worried about loans) - then there’s no concern - you can make as many or as few payments as you’d like. 

Post: Searching for skeptics

Zachary PaschkePosted
  • Scranton, PA
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 137
Originally posted by @Steve Wilmers:

Hopefully an insurance expert can comment on this as I am not one, but I would be very surprised if your cash value is increasing close to dollar for dollar on the amount you're paying in via monthly premiums.  I am curious though if this is accurate.  In order to get that "almost dollar for dollar" do they require a significant up front payment on any or all of the whole life policies?

 So when you take out a whole life policy money can go into the policy in 3 ways:

1. Base Premium 

2. Paid up additions

3. Dividend buying additional paid up value. 

The first amount paid the base premium is often what people call “fees” it’s the cost of the insurance policy. The math is pretty simple. It’s a savings account that carries insurance for the money you don’t have saved. This is the most expensive money that goes into a WL policy. It is what’s required to call the policy a policy though and to get the tax benefits. 

Second, paid up additions are where you put cash into the account to buy additional coverage. The “fees” on this money is MUCH less. Generally around 6-8%. The IRS has limits on how much of this money can be put in and for how long (before the policy looses some of the tax benefits). Mixing this number with your base premium is what will give you more like 70% of your cash as a mix. 

Third is the dividend. The most tax efficient way to handle dividends is to pay them back into the policy. This is the insurance company paying you a portion of their profits for the year. This money gets paid out based on the amount of cash value in the policy regardless of if you’re still paying premium or not. 

The magic is when you take a loan. You can capitalize on that money, but if you have a carrier with a non-direct recognition loan your full interest rate and dividend continue paying into the policy. Direct recognition companies reduce payments on the dividend based on cash you have out in loans. 

You are required to take loans to get the money out before you die unless you wish to forfeit the policy. The loans are tax free and if they’re outstanding when you pass, the loans get paid from the death benefit before your beneficiary gets the rest. 

Post: Searching for skeptics

Zachary PaschkePosted
  • Scranton, PA
  • Posts 168
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Yeah a lot of people do what you are discussing. The numbers are maybe a little aggressive for reality, but not by much. You can either get Whole Life which will provide you with lower but more stable growth.  You should be looking for about 4% in guaranteed growth and a dividend as well. A loan directly from the insurance company should be about 5%. 

Indexed Universal Life is an option where you’ll get less guaranteed interest, but in place of a dividend the company will invest in options on the market. If the market goes up your account goes up, if it goes down they don’t exercise the option. Often, over time they’ll offer discounted interest on some of your loans. The thing to watch about IULs is they can illustrate pretty high rates. Possible? Yes, but usually what’s on the higher end of possible. I usually quote them closer to 5-6%.

You should be seeing 70-80% of your cash going directly into the policy cash values after year one. Over time it will grow. 


Post: Whole Life Insurance as a Foundation for Real Estate Investing

Zachary PaschkePosted
  • Scranton, PA
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 137
Originally posted by @Jody Sperling:

I read every post in this thread, and it's clear a number of people did not. The most common misconception was that Whole Life is an investment in and of itself. Every person who seemed to hate it, failed to acknowledge the policy as a holding tank for money with a roughly 4% compounding return.

Here's the cool thing though: I recently got a first-position HELOC on my investment property, which used to be my primary residence. I could sell the property for $155k easily, in days. (But if I do that, I no longer have an asset and I pay taxes on the gain.) I bought that house five years ago for 95k.

When the appraiser came along this year, he valued my property at $120k. The bank, using that value, gave me a line of credit for 90k. I owed 63k on the original loan. To work all of this magic, the bank charged me just under $2k in fees.

To recap, in five years, my investment earned me 23k, which I can't access, because it's stuck collateralizing my line of credit with the bank. And don't forget the rehab I had to do to get my property to appraise at $120k: that cost me $4k, so we're at $19k, but also don't forget I paid closing costs when I bought the house of about $5k. So over 5 years I earned $14k. Now, remember, all I did was build the Line of Credit and fund it. That's what a primary household is. A line of credit you fund.

I've now worked myself down to 40k outstanding on the HELOC by moving tenants in and dumping every dollar I earn into the HELOC: 3 months (congratulations me, and yes that's Velocity Banking, another hated and misunderstood financial concept). In the event of an emergency, I can borrow from the HELOC, a loan on MY investment property, up to $50k. So, I have a very conservative emergency fund. Remember, I can sell the house, repay the bank and walk away. It is my money. But, for the convenience of setting up a stupid Whole Life policy, I'm going to borrow $30k from the bank, on my investment property, a collateralized line of credit against a collateralized line of credit.

Why would I buy a stupid life insurance policy, pay 4% interest on the credit from the bank and earn 4% on the interest in the policy? Because if it were available in the HELOC, it would be earning 0% too. The advantage, before we get to the other advantages, should be coming clear to anyone who's following along. Money has a cost, no matter where it comes from.

The policy will allow me to take a loan immediately for roughly $26k. (If you want to quickly scale that, the stupid insurance policy gives me access to more of my money per dollar than the HELOC does.) Every year, for 10 years, I'll put $30k into the policy. By year four, interest will have made it so I can borrow equal to the number of dollars I've put into the policy: meaning I'll have access to $120k and have saved $120k. My HELOC will never do that!

I'm using a line of credit to fund my future line of credit, but the line of credit I'm creating won't be subject to the fixed cost of the line of credit I have with the bank. That's right. No matter what I do, I can never make my HELOC worth more, unless I pay fees to have the house reappraised, and even then, the value of the property will never match the value I can gain within my policy. Worst of all, everyone who weathered 2008 knows there can and will be financial crises that force banks to nonrenew lines of credit. Scary!

My line of credit with the insurance carrier can't be cancelled, though, even in tough times when real estate will sell for pennies on the dollar. What do you think I'll be buying with my policy loans then? And there's no renewal fees year after year.

In thirty years, I'll have a stupid life insurance policy worth more than $1.8 million. The house, if I had it appraised in 30 years, might, possibly, perhaps, be worth $300k.

Ah, and a quick word about the policy, I'll have only ever put in a total of $300k of my own money. The rest of the value that I can borrow against, will be from compounding interest. (I'm using the guaranteed side of my policy. Should be better with dividends.)

Most of the naysayers have probably long ago stopped reading, but in case there's one left. All throughout the process I've been borrowing against the loan. My money earns 4%, and the insurance carrier charges me 5% to take a loan. That means my line of credit costs me 1%. I invest it in real estate and my returns are whatever they are minus 1%. If you can find any bank out there that's charging 1% on lines of credit, point me toward them, please!

I pay my credit back to the policy just like I pay it back to the bank. I pay them back at 5% knowing my cash inside the policy is earning 4%. I'm pretty good with that. 

 Great plan! With the dividend you’ll make money. Just make sure you pick up a company with non-direct recognition loans. Reading the tea leaves of the rates you’re discussing, I think I know the company. If I’m right, they’re a favorite of mine and will have NDR loans. 

Post: Whole life Insurance and the Infinite Banking Concept

Zachary PaschkePosted
  • Scranton, PA
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 137
Originally posted by @Jabari Marshall:

I have been looking into Whole life insurance and Infinite banking and it seems very appealing.  From what i hear it can be very beneficial "If" the policy is set up correctly.  Has anyone out there got any whole life policies that they have set up for the purpose of being their own bank and/or using it to fund real estate investments?  The infinite banking concept was created decades ago by a man named Nelson Nash, and since then their have been many people that have followed suit.  Let me know what your experience has been for those of you who have participated in it or maybe know someone who has.

 It is a highly personal thing that doesn’t make sense for everyone. The best thing you can do is get an illustration for yourself and see what a policy could look like. Your agent can illustrate removing money from the policy. 

Post: Whole life Insurance and the Infinite Banking Concept

Zachary PaschkePosted
  • Scranton, PA
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 137
Originally posted by @Mark Fries:

@Lee Ripma

I agree I thought the same thing you did it seems like just another over complicated thing I have to deal with...

 It is. It’s not for the average person. It’s a high level strategy.