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All Forum Posts by: Yan Yan

Yan Yan has started 10 posts and replied 34 times.

Post: optimize money in different accounts to buy different properties?

Yan Yan
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  • Investor
  • North Bergen, NJ
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 6

Hi BPers,

I am interested in apt investments. The question I have right now is that how to best utilize my money in different accounts (bank account, current 401k account, former 401k account, Roth IRA account) to buy different properties (cash flow property, property mainly for appreciation). The goal here is to maximize the tax benefit and also meet my liquidity needs.

My thought process is as follows, please let me know whether this is the right way to look at it:

1. current 401k: can't rolled over to self-directed IRA, therefore only used to buy financial assets (stocks, bonds etc)

2. Roth IRA is tax exempted,so I should roll the money in this account to self-directed IRA and invest in assets that are mainly bet on appreciation. Of course, it can be real estate investments and financial assets(then I don't have to roll into self-directed IRA)

3. For cash flow properties, it's better I use the money from my bank accounts, the reason being: 1) I need the cash flow to support my daily life; 2) get the depreciation benefit

4.  401k from former employer is tax deferred,I still don't have a good idea what's the best use for this money.

      Any advice?

      Thank you for your inputs!

        Post: who pays for window guard installation?

        Yan Yan
        Pro Member
        Posted
        • Investor
        • North Bergen, NJ
        • Posts 40
        • Votes 6

        thank you very much, 

        @Joe Martella and @Tania Patch!

        Post: who pays for window guard installation?

        Yan Yan
        Pro Member
        Posted
        • Investor
        • North Bergen, NJ
        • Posts 40
        • Votes 6

        hi BPers,

        I have a potential tenant who has a 9 yr old kid. the unit is on second floor. law requires that if the tenant makes a written request to install window guard, I need to do that, which I don't mind. The question is, who should pay for the cost, including the window guard itself and the installation cost? the law doesn't specify. What's the common practice in New Jersey?

        thank you very much for your inputs!

        Post: Need your advice on renting out the units ASAP

        Yan Yan
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        Posted
        • Investor
        • North Bergen, NJ
        • Posts 40
        • Votes 6
        I don't mind paying the broker fee for the first time, just to avoid simple mistake because I am new, as long as the agent meets my standards. Although my agent has good sales record(not rental record), I found her not tech savvy or maybe(?) lack of motivation to make changes. For instance, I am the one who find out that Zillow collapses the description of two units so it's invisible to potential tenants. I am the one who came up with the solution. I also paid for the Facebook marketplace promotion, as she doesn't want to do it. She noticed the slowness, but thought maybe it's due to the weather and just decided to wait and do nothing. She will get paid the broker fee eventually, but I can't wait, vacancy kills my returns.
        Again, I don't mind paying broker fee, if she/he DOES safe my time, but in this case, I have to put in a lot of my time and money just to do her work. Maybe I just need a good one to meet my standard. If you have a good one, please recommend, I really appreciate. 

        Originally posted by @John M Chludzinski:

        Wellllll all those folks wanting to find tenants without using an  agent, I suggest that you have not found a good one.  Hands down, an owner will always do a better job assessing the tenants when they meet them, but a large part of the value proposition is weeding out the wackos, the scammers and the flakes from the rental process. This takes time.  In Central NJ, our average rental is about $1800 to $2000 per month, and we split that with two agents.  So the  agent is typically getting a 60-70% split of $1000 to process a rental, and the average time a rental takes on the listing side is about 4 hours of work, and on the tenant side maybe 6 hours.  so if the average is 5 hours, the listing or tenant's agent is making $600 for 5 hours of work, pretax, and maybe $400 after tax and fees.  BUT in our area an owner might have to show the unit on 6-8 separate days, for 1 hour per visit (assuming they are local) to find one good tenant, then prepare forms for another hour or two, then meet the code compliance officer for an inspection (1 hour to 3 hours waiting time) so on average we are talking about 12 hours to find a tenant on the owner's part.  Maybe a lot more. So the owner saves $100- 150 per hour, but what if the property is 2 hours away?  Then the time doubles, and the savings is eaten up by the time investment.  

        Post: Need your advice on renting out the units ASAP

        Yan Yan
        Pro Member
        Posted
        • Investor
        • North Bergen, NJ
        • Posts 40
        • Votes 6

        @Diana Tian

        you raised a very good point, I didn't even think about it. I should definitely look at the full picture.

        however, in my case, I still think it's not price issue, but Zillow exposure issue (collapsing two units into one listing, only showing photos and no description at all). The reason I think price is not the key is that I see quite a few newer properties coming out with higher price, yet attracts a lot of traffic. The conditions are similar to mine. Therefore, I don't think price scares people off, but visibility is definitely an issue.

        Originally posted by @Diana Tian:

        @Yan Yan after you update the ads, if you still don't get enough interests, you could re assess the rental price. When you do your analysis, you may look at the places that are currently for rent. Those places may have been in the market for a while and no one has taken them. That may mean the rental price are too high. You could ask your agent for a list of places that have been already rented for. Using that list, you could check if your rental price is competitive or not. 

        Post: Need your advice on renting out the units ASAP

        Yan Yan
        Pro Member
        Posted
        • Investor
        • North Bergen, NJ
        • Posts 40
        • Votes 6

        I totally agree with you we should do it ourselves. the only reason I use agent is that I try to avoid some legal/compliance issue, for instance, accidentally using some discriminatory words in the listing. once I know how to avoid these mistakes and how the process looks like, I will do it myself.

        Originally posted by @Joe P.:

        Without knowing much about the Bergen County market, typically its either an exposure problem, incorrectly priced, or not priced adequately for the level of rehab completed.

        @Daniel Green nailed it with CL and Facebook, but I also like listing myself on Zillow as it propagates to Trulia and Hotpads. I find the rental market is a bit different than the buyers market so dropping it in multiple spots (just copy and paste, only takes a few minutes) is good.

        Also, have someone with experience (like us!) review your posting. I've seen some joke of-a posts out there -- terrible pictures, no descriptions, nothing that says "RENT ME!" and that's a shame.

        Finally, this is I think the third post I've seen where someone has used an agent to try and rent out their home. Here's my concerns with using a real estate agent:

        1. Lowest commissions come from rentals for them, so its low on their totem pole
        2. Some agents do things better than others...is this agent good at screening people, setting up visits, reviewing applications, doing proper background checks, performing some investigation on the applicants, etc.?

        Ultimately I think the person who is best going to find and screen an applicant will be you, so consider doing it yourself if you have the time.

        @Joe Stamponeundefined

        Post: Need your advice on renting out the units ASAP

        Yan Yan
        Pro Member
        Posted
        • Investor
        • North Bergen, NJ
        • Posts 40
        • Votes 6
        I put up the sign with bedroom # as well. attracted much more traffic than the website, but as you said, since it's impossible to put all your criteria on the sign, you ended up getting a lot of unqualified applicants.

        Originally posted by @Justin McElroy:

        I was trying to rent out a duplex this past winter in Guttenberg and had the same issue with Zillow. I called to try to get it fixed but they said, their system has the property listed as a single family address, not something with two separate units, which is why when you try to list two units there the system can’t register it and just creates two listings for the property that can’t be seen by anyone. The person said that they can’t do anything on there end to fix it as it is just the way it pulls from the local records. 

        I tried listing on Zillow, trulia, Realtor.com, all of their affiliate sites, Craigslist and Facebook and wasn’t getting any traffic. Only two people came to look at the place. We ended up putting a sign in the window and ended up finding a tenant that way. Downside is, we had to filter through about 200 phone calls, most of which were tire kickers  

        My advice if you decide to put a sign up, make sure you advertise the details of the apt (2 bed 1 bath, etc) and the price. Put it in big bold letters so you can hopefully avoid the tire kickers. 

        Best of luck! If I hear if anyone needing a place in the area I’ll send them your way!

        Post: Need your advice on renting out the units ASAP

        Yan Yan
        Pro Member
        Posted
        • Investor
        • North Bergen, NJ
        • Posts 40
        • Votes 6

        Thank you all for the advices, they are all very good!

        To add some of my observations:

        1. I am also a little bit skeptical about using agent for rental, reason being no matter how long it takes to rent out, as long as it's rented, they get paid the same commission. So even your agent is busy with buying and selling, your rental might be lower priority for him/her.

        2. The application and the credit check are definitely value added by the agent, however, you can also hire an independent company to run background check.

        3. I ended up paying the Facebook marketplace ad myself, as I can't stand it's being vacant for long time. I also went thru all the websites, if they don't automatically pull ads from MLS, I will put the ads there.

        4. But I would say this is useful learning experience, as I've learned where I made mistakes and how I can avoid them next time. For instance, I use two months vacancy rate when calculating cash-on-cash return, I thought I am very conservative, but it's actually not. 

        Thank you all for good advices! 

        Post: Need your advice on renting out the units ASAP

        Yan Yan
        Pro Member
        Posted
        • Investor
        • North Bergen, NJ
        • Posts 40
        • Votes 6

        Just tried Facebook marketplace. No, you don't need a business account, you can boost your listing using your personal account

        Post: Need your advice on renting out the units ASAP

        Yan Yan
        Pro Member
        Posted
        • Investor
        • North Bergen, NJ
        • Posts 40
        • Votes 6

        I see. thanks for the advice! I will try to list it again on Zillow. also try Facebook market place, although I was told that you need a business account in order to do that. I will find out whether this is true. any other websites you will recommend?