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All Forum Posts by: Waylon Smith

Waylon Smith has started 5 posts and replied 29 times.

Post: How accurate is the 2% Rule?

Waylon SmithPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Canton, GA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Karl B.:

I buy 2% rule properties in my market, even in this current market. They're typically C-Class. I tend to exceed 2% on value-add properties that need a good deal of work to get them right. 

As of now, in many markets, the 2% rule is not currently a reality. Heck, the 1% rule isn't attainable in some markets. 

People on BP tend to generalize things based on their market and experience. The best thing to do is attend a local meet-up/real estate meeting to get an idea as to your local market and what's possible. 


Awesome to know this is still attainable. Do you mind me asking what part of the country you are investing? 

Post: How accurate is the 2% Rule?

Waylon SmithPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Canton, GA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Eliott Elias:

This is impossible to find, if you're basing your numbers off the 2% rule goodluck. You may be able to do it with a group home or retirement community. 


Eliott, you post some awesome stuff and you are super responsive. Just wanted to say thank you. I appreciate your candor and straightforwardness. I have noticed it quickly!

Post: How accurate is the 2% Rule?

Waylon SmithPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Canton, GA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16

Just wanted to say thank you for everyone's input. I am new to BP and really blown away by the level of engagement and most people's willingness to help others. I will do my best to contribute back to this community as well. I have set a goal to buy my first long term or short term rental by July 1st 2023. My wife and I are going back and forth right now trying to decide on long term vs short term. Anyways thank you everyone!

Post: How accurate is the 2% Rule?

Waylon SmithPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Canton, GA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Waylon Smith:

Hello everyone! I am reading "The Ultimate Beginners Guide" right now. Question for everyone. It gives a quick definition of the 2% rule (the rent should equal approx. 2% of the purchase price). I know this is not intended to be perfect for every deal but the book does say it is the general rule of thumb. So for a $150k house, the monthly rent should be $3K? That seems high to me compared to the rental rates I have been researching. I am located in North Atlanta and we are in a highly desirable area (great schools, hospitals, restaurants, etc) . I am seeing houses worth much more than $150k and the monthly rate looks to be between $2500 - $2800. Below is a quick link for reference. I am just getting started so I know I am probably wrong. Just wanted to see what you guys think. Thank you!

https://www.zillow.com/homedet...


 all these books are crap. They are one of those books that doesn't explain things clearly that the cap rate is declining every years or so. So if those book is written in 2005, they are good in 2005 only.


I certainly pick and choose advice from books. This is first book I have read about real estate. It was a quick and easy read. This 2% recommendation seemed wonky to me so that is I why I questioned it. I definitely agree that some books are not very good, however I can usually pick up a few pieces of solid advice. This particular book shares some good, basic real estate knowledge. 

Post: How accurate is the 2% Rule?

Waylon SmithPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Canton, GA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Osazee J Osagie:

This is the story of the 2% rule. Years ago when I was starting out on REI, I ventured into an area where houses were being sold for 5k each, townhomes. But as I followed my agent around, I noticed that all the houses had their boiler and HVAC missing , so I asked the agent what is going on and he told me the last tenant stole them. Heck, some boilers were even left in the backyard......meaning the guy who stle it changed his mind ....LOL

SO I RAN. 


 Haha!! Great story!

Post: How accurate is the 2% Rule?

Waylon SmithPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Canton, GA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16

Hello everyone! I am reading "The Ultimate Beginners Guide" right now. Question for everyone. It gives a quick definition of the 2% rule (the rent should equal approx. 2% of the purchase price). I know this is not intended to be perfect for every deal but the book does say it is the general rule of thumb. So for a $150k house, the monthly rent should be $3K? That seems high to me compared to the rental rates I have been researching. I am located in North Atlanta and we are in a highly desirable area (great schools, hospitals, restaurants, etc) . I am seeing houses worth much more than $150k and the monthly rate looks to be between $2500 - $2800. Below is a quick link for reference. I am just getting started so I know I am probably wrong. Just wanted to see what you guys think. Thank you!

https://www.zillow.com/homedet...

Post: "Deal 1 - Why?'

Waylon SmithPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Canton, GA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16

Just posted Deal 2. I would love to tag you but it won't let me for some reason? Just want to be sure you see when I post each thread since I do not have a way to tag you. Thank you again. 

Post: Deal 2 - What?

Waylon SmithPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Canton, GA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16

Someone asked about whether or not they should hire a coach or mentor from a different thread in the "Starting Out" forum. @henryclark was nice enough to offer free assistance. I jumped on the offer immediately because I am just getting started. He laid out the instructions in my post titled "Deal 1 - Why?" I am going to be open, follow his advice on putting together this plan and share my goals. So here goes!

Action:

1. Discuss what your Goals are for your First Deal and long term. Obviously, I am geared towards certain types of investments, but that is due to our Risk/reward, REI experience, stage in life. We want ones that fit your family. Don't pick one yet.

Little about myself. I am 44 years old. I am married to my wife of 18 years and we have two daughters. I am an entrepreneur. Sold my first business in 2013 and now a partner in the second small business. We have a dog named Duke and he is glued to my side! My wife is a stay at home and works part time for FCA. Together we love to visit wineries, go on road trips and date night. My oldest daughter does track and cross country. She is in 9th grade. My youngest daughter is into dance and she is in 6th grade. I am close with both of them. I love to hunt, fish, mountain bike, grill and work in the yard. 

My goal is to invest in our first real estate deal within the next 4-6 months. Short term, I am literally just getting started. I planned to start 2.5 years ago. However Covid happened. I am in retail and the supply chain went absolutely crazy. My partner and I had to focus 100% of our time on the business. So now I am ready get back to my original plan of real estate investing. Since I am just getting started I am trying to wrap my head around what I want to invest in within the next 6 months. I truly have not thought about long enough to know. I just know I want to get started as quickly as possible. Being 44, I know I am late to the game. For some reason, I am drawn to short term rentals and commercial. Long term, I know my goal is to have more freedom. I am very chained down in my business and it requires a lot of time away from my family. It is very demanding / stressful. My dream would be to sell my share of the business within 5 years and replace my income with my real estate portfolio.

2. Determine your cash/asset collateralization at 65% and your finance type. This will determine your deal size. Even if you can do a deal of say $100,000; we might still only do a $10,000 deal for your first deal. We have to take other non financial attributes into consideration, Knowledge, risk, time available, etc. 

This is where I wish I could go back and do things a little different. I have never really leveraged debt. We did the Dave Ramsey plan for a long time. I worked in my businesses and just planned to take the normal route of working hard every day and retiring when I was 65. We have pumped a lot of our money into our house. We do not owe very much and we have a lot of equity. Other than that I have invested a lot of money into 401k. We have $10k in an emergency fund (although I would be comfortable with holding $5k in the emergency fund) and we have $15k in savings. Also I have a $100k HELOC that has no balance. I got it a couple of years ago before Covid started so it would be available for my real estate investments. 

Post: "Deal 1 - Why?'

Waylon SmithPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Canton, GA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Henry Clark:

Why?

Do this in outline form. Put down why a person is investing in REI.

The more I have been on BP, I have learned and enjoyed the many different types of REI investments, strategy, risk/reward, different starting points, backgrounds, etc.

On a continuum I see REI as follows:

Syndication Investor- puts money down, knows very little about REI and won't learn much about REI from their investment. Return say 8 to 12%. Risk low, Knowledge low.  Customer Interaction- Zero.  Time Commitment- zero

Asset Investor- generally picks a type of REI asset SFH/MFH then looks to apply several models such as BRRRR, House Hack, MFH, Wholesale, Hard Money, etc. Return say 20% to 100% Both Cash flow/Appreciation, Risk moderate, Knowledge high, Customer Interaction- High, Time Commitment- Heavy upfront, Light ongoing.

Developer- Takes a more raw asset and adds value through ground up creation or adaptation. Similar to BRRR, possibly on a larger scale. Return say 50% to 500%. Both Cash Flow/Value Creation, Risk- high, Knowledge broad/high, Customer Interaction- Low, Time Commitment- Heavy upfront, Low ongoing.

Each of them has their own level of capital or financing needed, expertise, risk management, time commitment and time frame.

The above paths could actually be on the same assets or types of assets, just different circumstances and approaches.

Action:

1.  Put this on your first tab.

2.  Start your next Post.  Called "Deal 2- What?"  I'm actually going to start that in the next post below, just copy to your new post.  That way I don't have to wait on you.

Start small and Make Your Big Mistakes Early.



 Got this done...

Post: "Deal 1 - Why?'

Waylon SmithPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Canton, GA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 16

@Henry Clark this is outstanding. I’m working on it now. I have a two questions to be sure I’m structuring everything correctly and following your instructions.

Do you want me to start an entirely new post for each Deal 2, Deal 3, etc? Meaning not work on Deal 2 in this Deal 1 thread?

Do you want me to upload my excel spreadsheet for every one to review? Or just answer your questions in the form of a reply? Hope this makes sense.