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All Forum Posts by: Tyler D.

Tyler D. has started 87 posts and replied 210 times.

I recently found some land for a great price in the best neighborhood in my city. After doing a bit of research it appears that I can build a home there for significantly less than it costs to buy an existing one. Interestingly, A duplex here would cost me around 350k all-in, which is less than it would cost to buy an already built one even in a rougher part of the city. Typical SFH goes for 350k city wide and 400-700k in this area. Duplexes are obviously more.

So this got me thinking, what would be the best type of property to build? It is a high class neighborhood, so maybe the best route would be to build single family and flip it. I'm a buy and hold investor at heart, so I'd prefer to build income property, however. What about building a duplex, a fourplex, two duplexes on the same lot, or townhomes? 

I'm looking primarily at maximizing rental income, and also having a strong exit strategy. If it's possible, having homes that I can sell off individually (IE, individual townhomes or half-duplexes) seems smart. However the cashflow from a fourplex could outweigh the benefit of the other options.

What are you thoughts?

Originally posted by @Stone Saathoff:

I would definitely check the HOA to see if multi is allowed but either way, having a new build with that type of surrounding value, you're looking at great cashflow for your rental, and a sky high resale value down the road. Plus perfect condition from the start, likely no repairs for a while.

Appreciate the info. Do you think it would be smarter to go with a 2/4Plex (if possible) or do a straight single family home? I drove the streets nearby and it is mostly SFH with a handful of multifamily.

Playing devils advocate here, my thoughts are that with a 2/4plex in a top neighborhood like this, it may be hard to find an exit strategy. The rents may not be enough for an investor to buy, and a homeowner wants their own huge home, not a 2/4plex. Where with a SFH there is obviously a market for that.

But I might just be overthinking it. I could likely just hold the MFH and get good cashflow from it.

Originally posted by @John Collins:
Originally posted by @Tyler D.:
Originally posted by @John Collins:
Originally posted by @Tyler D.:

The town I live in has gotten quite expensive, with the average home price around $350k, and rents at around 1200. However, land is fairly cheap, and I found a pair of half-acre plots for 50k each. I'm thinking about building something on them and either holding or selling and wanted to see if anyone here can share their experience and insight.

The land is in a primo area, and the houses directly next to the plots are 600k and 750k respectively. I got a rough estimate from a home builder website and it was around 200k before electrical, plumbing, etc. for stick built. Modular is obviously cheaper. I could build a duplex or fourplex, which may be a smart idea cashflow-wise, but might hurt the resale value. Also the land is on a slope, but I imagine that wouldn't be too hard to level out and build the home(s) on.

Overall, does this sound like a smart situation to take advantage of? Would you build single family or multi? And would you buy (build) and hold or flip? Let me know your thoughts.

 Yeah, a 50k lot with houses like that around is incredible value. Normally if the surrounding hosues are 650,700k, the lot itself will start out at 300-400k and won't go below 200k minimum. Slope and grading is always something that can be sorted out before foundation is laid, but find out more about the neighborhood as a whole, what the income demographics are and vacancy rates. Alot of areas with nicer houses will not be rental areas. 

You'll make a tidy 100-150k profit on a flip instead of rental, but you'll lose out on time. The time to build and the time to sell. So as is usually the case, know your situation and see if it's worth it (might go 2 years with no incoming cash). 

It does seem like an amazing value. I was wondering why they were on the market for so cheap. To be fair, the two houses on either side of the lots are HUGE 3k+ sqft houses, but even the 2k sqft houses on the same street are in the 400k range. I'm not too worried about the time, as I have a fairly big chunk of cash sitting around that I've been wanting to invest in something. If I can turn a good profit on this it would be a good place to put it.

I'm still debating on whether a duplex or SFH would be the right idea. I could obviously get more cashflow with a duplex, but as you said this might not be the right neighborhood for that, and maybe a build and flip (with a SFH) is the smarter way to go.

Check with the HOA as well - in Texas , where alot of older neighborhoods are gentrifying and turning into complete remodels / new builds where homes are in the 600-1.1 mil price range, a duplex wouldn't be allowed. The street has to be uniform in terms of single family homes.

Thanks, I will check that out. 

Originally posted by @John Collins:
Originally posted by @Tyler D.:

The town I live in has gotten quite expensive, with the average home price around $350k, and rents at around 1200. However, land is fairly cheap, and I found a pair of half-acre plots for 50k each. I'm thinking about building something on them and either holding or selling and wanted to see if anyone here can share their experience and insight.

The land is in a primo area, and the houses directly next to the plots are 600k and 750k respectively. I got a rough estimate from a home builder website and it was around 200k before electrical, plumbing, etc. for stick built. Modular is obviously cheaper. I could build a duplex or fourplex, which may be a smart idea cashflow-wise, but might hurt the resale value. Also the land is on a slope, but I imagine that wouldn't be too hard to level out and build the home(s) on.

Overall, does this sound like a smart situation to take advantage of? Would you build single family or multi? And would you buy (build) and hold or flip? Let me know your thoughts.

 Yeah, a 50k lot with houses like that around is incredible value. Normally if the surrounding hosues are 650,700k, the lot itself will start out at 300-400k and won't go below 200k minimum. Slope and grading is always something that can be sorted out before foundation is laid, but find out more about the neighborhood as a whole, what the income demographics are and vacancy rates. Alot of areas with nicer houses will not be rental areas. 

You'll make a tidy 100-150k profit on a flip instead of rental, but you'll lose out on time. The time to build and the time to sell. So as is usually the case, know your situation and see if it's worth it (might go 2 years with no incoming cash). 

It does seem like an amazing value. I was wondering why they were on the market for so cheap. To be fair, the two houses on either side of the lots are HUGE 3k+ sqft houses, but even the 2k sqft houses on the same street are in the 400k range. I'm not too worried about the time, as I have a fairly big chunk of cash sitting around that I've been wanting to invest in something. If I can turn a good profit on this it would be a good place to put it.

I'm still debating on whether a duplex or SFH would be the right idea. I could obviously get more cashflow with a duplex, but as you said this might not be the right neighborhood for that, and maybe a build and flip (with a SFH) is the smarter way to go.

Originally posted by @Stone Saathoff:

I would build multi all day.. are you planning on holding onto it for a long time?

Depends. I'm primarily a buy and hold investor. That being said, if I could get a clearly better return by selling it and investing elsewhere I'd be open to it.

It seems like an obvious choice to build something there, as building would be considerably cheaper than buying, especially in that neighborhood. And I'd get a solid cashflow or resale value there. Just want to be sure that there isn't something I'm missing.

The town I live in has gotten quite expensive, with the average home price around $350k, and rents at around 1200. However, land is fairly cheap, and I found a pair of half-acre plots for 50k each. I'm thinking about building something on them and either holding or selling and wanted to see if anyone here can share their experience and insight.

The land is in a primo area, and the houses directly next to the plots are 600k and 750k respectively. I got a rough estimate from a home builder website and it was around 200k before electrical, plumbing, etc. for stick built. Modular is obviously cheaper. I could build a duplex or fourplex, which may be a smart idea cashflow-wise, but might hurt the resale value. Also the land is on a slope, but I imagine that wouldn't be too hard to level out and build the home(s) on.

Overall, does this sound like a smart situation to take advantage of? Would you build single family or multi? And would you buy (build) and hold or flip? Let me know your thoughts.

I'm building my real estate portfolio but have no traditional income. I will be getting a W2 job again in a few years, and wanted to know if I can carry over my unused deductions from previous years? Where can I find the specifics on what carries over and for how long it is eligible?

Thanks in advance.


I'm looking at picking up a property in Southern Oregon. Currently looking at Medford, Grants Pass, Reedsport and Klamath Falls.

Medford seems to be pretty weak on cashflow, where Klamath and Reedsport have some good opportunities.

What do you think are the best markets down here? 

I'm looking at picking up some property in my local town, which is a mid-sized town of about 80k people. The cashflow numbers here are not great, most properties do not break 1%. However population and job growth are both high and will likely continue.

Meanwhile, there is a smaller town a couple hours away of about 20k people with much better cashflow. The average home is about 50% of the price, but the rent is only about 20% lower. I can definitely get 1% on cheaper properties, however the population growth is considerably lower. 

I'm considering going for the smaller town, because the cashflow is much better and I don't think it's going anywhere. Just growing at a smaller rate. What are your thoughts?

Originally posted by @Ron Flatt:
Depending on area,  It may be a steal.   Many of the old historic homes in my area are being revamped.  I looked at one, but found that being in a historic district in my town, they were requiring me to keep that charm, $$$$$$.  An old home (1920s),  you will probably need to update plumbing and electrical.  Hopefully you can refinish some beautiful hardwood floors, or at least keep some of them.  Without more detail, I cannot be sure, but I can assure you that I think your looking closer to the 100K than the 50K for a full remodel, and can be more.  Look at it, put a pencil to it on the high side and then add 10-15%, that will get you close.  

I am in the middle of a major rehab now, but on a rebuild that was priced out at 60k it has turned into probably 75-80K.  That is on a 1500 sq ft, home.  Once, i scalped it and put on the new roof, we found many ceiling joist that were broke and scabbed improperly, wiring, plumbing etc.  Just be careful but it is doable.  In my area, incomes do not justify that size house.  The reason many are sold cheap, because people cannot keep them up.  

Interesting, thanks for the info, Ron.

What's interesting to me is that it was sold fairly recently (2012) for more than it is selling for now, and only very recently foreclosed. That tells me that it probably has decent bones, but ultimately I will need to get in there and check for myself.

It does have hardwood floors, though they are damaged. I would definitely try to refinish them.

Seeing as the average SFH goes for 300k in this town, someone paying 400K+ for a rehabbed giant home is not outside the realm of possibility. There are a handful of homes on the market in my town of similar size for 600k+, though many of them are in better neighborhoods.