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All Forum Posts by: Troy Sheets

Troy Sheets has started 53 posts and replied 1374 times.

Post: South Philly SFH Row full gut and then some rehab, with video!

Troy SheetsPosted
  • Developer
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900

Walk Through Pre-Rehab

A family friends parents inherited this place twenty years ago and since it was in such a bad neighborhood (at that time), they just shut the door and paid the taxes for 20 years. They started getting violations from the city for a broken window and some other odds and ends so they stopped by to check on the place. That’s when they discovered the roof was mostly in the basement. The roof had caved in years ago, which took out most of the second floor and part of the first. There was a huge tree growing out of the foundation that ultimately required taking down two of the four foundation walls and the first and second floor walls and roof along with those foundation walls. 

The friends parents called me to see if I wanted to buy it and I said “I can’t pay you what this house is worth (my niche is new construction multis, I don’t do many single family rehabs these days) but my wife will list it for you (she’s an agent) and you should get around $60k for it”. They said “no, it’s too dangerous to list and we want rid of it, either you buy it today or we’re giving it to the neighbor for $1”. So I said “I won’t take your house for $1, what do you want for it” and they said $10k, so I bought it. 

Between Covid delays for permitting, construction delays to keep bringing the inspector and engineer back in as we found more and more structural issues, then amending the plans and waiting on them to be approved by the city after each amendment, plus a GC I hired that lied about his level of experience and took forever to finish plus ignored every material selection I made and ran with his own finishes that were mostly bargain basement closeout garbage, it took a year and a half to get this from acquisition to stabilized. 

I got this email from the bank regarding the appraisal. When I bought the place ARV might have been $185k, then as time went on we crept up to $225k on a good day and that's what I was hoping for, so when the appraisal came back at $285k, I was pretty excited. I'm all in for around $160k with purchase, rehab, holding, financing, architecture, etc. and it's rented at $1500/month. Long journey on this one but well worth it in the end!

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    Post: New Construction Philadelphia Duplex Video and Numbers!

    Troy SheetsPosted
    • Developer
    • Philadelphia, PA
    • Posts 1,400
    • Votes 900

    Here's a video walk through of a new construction duplex in the West Kensington neighborhood of Philadelphia I recently completed and got leased up. I sourced the lot on the MLS, took the project through architecture, zoning, and permitting, then GC'ed the build myself. The lower unit rented for $1800 and the upper unit for $1900. ARV is $550k on the low end and up to $600k in this crazy market. Depending on appraisal this project will come close to if not fully cash out. It has a 10 year tax abatement so in essence you only pay taxes on the land, not the improvements, for the next 10 years.

    Video Walk Through of Upper Unit

    Post: Vacant Land Palooza ~ New Construction Costs Philadelphia

    Troy SheetsPosted
    • Developer
    • Philadelphia, PA
    • Posts 1,400
    • Votes 900
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    That's an interesting point. I figured someone that's used to working on new construction wouldn't necessarily want to work on a rehab. How do you feel about the reverse? I have a new construction build I'm working on and plans are almost finished (past the ZBA). Since I'm approaching the stage where I'm looking around for a builder what are your thoughts on working with a seasoned rehabber that wants to get into GCing new construction?  

    Why would you want someone learning on your dime on what might be the largest investment of your life to date? Find someone with a solid track record of new construction builds. Even if this rehab GC works for free it could ultimately cost you more in time or problems that crop up after the build is completed. 

    Additionally, you'll be making a lot of decisions on the plans today that will drastically affect the cost of your build later, so get a GC lined up now that you can run questions past like gas in the building or all electric, if it's a duplex how do I get away with no house meter for the electric so I only have two meters and not a house meter you have to pay for, etc. I respect architects but they often don't know and/or don't care about the cost of doing things one way vs. another or how a simple choice can have an outsized impact on your budget. I've seen architects spec the wrong sprinkler system more than once and you either have to spend nearly double on a larger system with a dedicated water line or amend the plans (and potentially lose months depending on when the mistake is caught) waiting on the amendment to go through so you can move the project forward. A good GC should catch that in the planning stages or at least right at the beginning of the build if you didn't bring them early enough. Without the sprinkler permit you can't pull an underground plumbing nor interior plumbing permit and if you're amending the plans that could hold up both of those permits, which could stop your build in its tracks, depending on when the mistake is caught. 

    Post: Rehab costs in Philadelphia

    Troy SheetsPosted
    • Developer
    • Philadelphia, PA
    • Posts 1,400
    • Votes 900
    Originally posted by @John Baker:

    @Troy Sheets Appreciate the quick feedback on this.

    Understood as far as not being able to sub contracts out. 

    It makes sense now (along with it being a sellers market) as to why the prices of rehabbed homes have increased so much within the past 2 years.

    Seems so if that this project could run 100k plus. As far as flips are concerned would 40k profit be a good number to shoot after fees and closings costs are paid ?


    I would say so, just don't forget you've got costs to purchase, hold, and sell on a flip plus architecture and engineering. 

    Post: Rehab costs in Philadelphia

    Troy SheetsPosted
    • Developer
    • Philadelphia, PA
    • Posts 1,400
    • Votes 900
    Originally posted by @John Baker:

    @Mayer M. I completely agree with you as far as costs of materials going up the past 2 years. 

    Adding those rising factors that would bring the total cost around 85k.

    In your opinion would it be better to sub contract each job out or have a GC do it all?

    Unless you're a licensed GC in the city you won't be able to sub each trade out, you'll need a GC to pull permits, schedule inspections, etc. via Eclipse.  

    Post: Rehab costs in Philadelphia

    Troy SheetsPosted
    • Developer
    • Philadelphia, PA
    • Posts 1,400
    • Votes 900
    Originally posted by @Mayer M.:

    @John Baker

    I do believe you’ll need an architect and while $75k worked as a rehab budget two years ago it will not today. Aside from the usual questions to determine the budget like will you need new water/sewer/gas service, or a new facade, or a basement digout, out structural repairs, etc.

    All material costs have increased, leading the way is lumber which cost more than double what it did a year ago, drywall is up 30%, HVAC costs are up, etc.

    I suppose $75k could work if you act as the GC and squeeze every penny, but in my opinion will be difficult.

    @Troy Sheets may be able to comment as he has extensive knowledge of this and is a developer as well as a GC

     Architect (to draw stamped plans, no more EZ permits unless you owner occupy the property) and engineer (engineer will have to draw up the framing plan I believe to move the stairs) will both be needed. I generally budget $100/ft for full guts and if there's other work like digging down basement, underpinning, rebuilding exterior walls that are compromised/collapsed it can go up a bit from there. It's entirely possible to be a bit under the $100/ft mark if you can save any mechanicals, roof, etc. but something always seems to pop up and the prices of everything are through the roof right now. Also that wouldn't include new water or sewer lines ran in from the street underground if either of those are bad. 

    Post: A Halt on Gentrification in the Mansion

    Troy SheetsPosted
    • Developer
    • Philadelphia, PA
    • Posts 1,400
    • Votes 900
    Originally posted by @Mauricio Botero:

    I was looking for a 3 story shell property zoned RM1 for my new partner and I to invest in for a BRRRR and found a few in Strawberry Mansion. Then doing some due diligence I ran into the news on the overlay. It's making me hesitant, but I was not planning on doing a roof top deck and if I understand the rules correctly, this only affects new construction for preventing builds of new 3 stories. So I can still get my criteria.

    Maybe other's hesitance (similar to mine at first) could be someone's future opportunity? What if this overlay get's voided and thrown out? 

     The overlay will not be voided and thrown out. My larger concern for Strawberry Mansion is many of the blocks feel very desolate and there is a decent amount of crime as best I can tell from my crime app and living in the next neighborhood over. Without new development it’s unlikely any of that will improve any time soon so any appreciation of property value or rents will be blunted at best as compared to other areas. Rehabs are great if existing properties are salvageable (some are not) but it won’t fill in the hundreds of empty lots and get eyes on the street, which can help deter crime. Without increasing density you won’t see bars, coffee shops, and restaurants start popping up along commercial corridors, which can help attract new residents and further drive development. The lack of new construction in SM with the hundreds of vacant lots there will achieve exactly what some in the neighborhood wanted, which is to deter development for many, many years. 

    Post: A Halt on Gentrification in the Mansion

    Troy SheetsPosted
    • Developer
    • Philadelphia, PA
    • Posts 1,400
    • Votes 900
    Originally posted by @Jimmy O'Connor:

    *I would encourage you to read the links below to be educated prior to reading/posting! Everyone is entitled to an opinion... but only the informed should share it!*

    Link to the Legislation, PDF available to download

    Against- Overlay Editorial

    Pro- Overlay Article

    Please feel free to correct anything I may state incorrectly, I do not write nor read legislation for a living. My limited qualification is that I analyze, buy, and sell several beat-up houses and land each month.

    Objective, non-opinionated summary: 

    Councilman Darrell Clarke and the Strawberry Mansion Community Development Corporation have pushed a zoning overlay that prevents higher unit density on land, building heights, roof decks, and other development characteristics non-homogenous to the current neighborhood aesthetic. 

    Brace yourselves, I wrote a novel.

    Strawberry Mansion, which was (and in some parts still remains) one of the more crime-ridden areas has experienced a major boom in property values over the last 5 years. This is largely in part from a lack of inventory in Fairmount which crossed over the border of 25th-33rd & Girard Ave to the now booming Brewerytown. Similar to how Point Breeze expanded past the tracks above 25th street to Grays Ferry, Brewerytown then pushed past Cecil B Moore and the magic triangle of Sedgley and Ridge to increase values in "The Mansion." Major players and funds that have 8-10 figures to play with such as GNR (aka Philadelphia Lotus) have poured countless dollars acquiring inventory, likely banking on the continued appreciation married with an impressive S8 portfolio. However, this overlay has effectively brought new construction to a halt and stripped incentives for long term multi-family investment. They have removed the density/height bonuses that incentivized green roofs, low/moderate-income housing, limited new build heights (intention of fewer 3 stories) and is forcing the hand of the developers to use more expensive building materials and processes.

     *Note that this overlay only applies to the boundaries of Oxford to Lehigh, 29th to 33rd that is north of Sedgley, not the entirety of what investors conventionally consider Strawberry Mansion*

    One of the benefits of buying land in this area is that it still had plenty of large lots zoned for multi families (RM1) within shouting distance to the up-coming areas to warrant building now before the cost of land skyrocketed. The question is, does this benefit still remain? As roof decks and large 3 stories have become the industry standard for the gentrifying areas of Philadelphia, will builders stop buying these vacant lots if the upside has been stripped? Furthermore, how will the buy and hold investors that have been eagerly awaiting newbuilds to creep up north pivot now that their appreciation now has a cloudier future?

    Do not get me wrong, there is a STRONG case to be made to preserve the culture and not push out neighborhood natives with increasing taxes that accompany gentrification as the land values rapidly go up. I am not personally a fan of the modern standard of "lego with a bump out." As it sits, Strawberry Mansion has some of the most beautiful buildings with behemoths of existing three stories. Just drive up 33rd ave and take a quick gander at the homes overlooking Fairmount Park. This bill requires buildings to be made of similar material and style to the existing structure, which is a nice refresh since most newbuilds look like vertical storage containers. 


    Philadelphia Investors, especially those investing in those markets... what do you think?

    Also- I had trouble interpreting this, so if anyone can clarify, I would be greatly appreciative:

    "Building Height.
    (.a) On lots with frontage on at least one street with a width greater than or equal
    to 50 ft. and less than 75 ft., the height of any new structure shall not exceed
    35 ft.
    (.b) On lots with no frontage on streets with a width greater than or equal to 50
    ft., the height of any new structure shall not exceed 25 ft."

    Does this really only affect massively wide lots and larger developments? To make a quad you really only need 14x103 to a 16x 90 lot (1440sf).

    @Troy Sheets @Mayer M. @Sheryl Sitman You guys have done "a rehab or two," mind weighing in?

    Regarding the building heights and road widths, I did a quick look on Atlas (not super accurate, so take it with a grain of salt) when this came out to measure road widths to gauge how many streets would at least allow 35' height buildings (3-stories) vs. the 25' (2-stories) and from what I can tell, many, many streets will only support the 25'/2-story building height. This is an arbitrary way of deciding what blocks get 2-story homes vs. 3-story as there are plenty of narrow blocks with three story houses on them, so the new houses will not fit in with the rest of the block. This entire thing is a thinly veiled attempt at deterring any sort of development. I feel bad for the land and homeowners who lost massive amounts of value on their properties overnight. It will be nearly impossible to build any projects in SM going forward and while I understand that development can push out long time residents for a variety of reasons, instead of addressing that issue head on and the other issues that go along with it like poverty, lack of jobs, poor school systems, etc., this overlay simply slapped a dirty used bandage on a gunshot wound. 

    Post: Is this a good deal?

    Troy SheetsPosted
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    • Philadelphia, PA
    • Posts 1,400
    • Votes 900

    I know Salem well. Taxes are through the roof and there are no jobs around to speak of. The big warehouses/dist centers being built half hour away may help but several key employers left in recent years and it's only been downhill for Salem really since '08, it just never bounced back. I'd venture to say prices are still around half of what they were (for the most part, there are some exceptions) pre-'08. The taxes kill most deals there from what I can see. 

    Post: Slow Inspections in Philly

    Troy SheetsPosted
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    • Philadelphia, PA
    • Posts 1,400
    • Votes 900

    You're stating two different things here; permits and inspections. Getting plans/permits is painfully slow right now. Plumbing and mechanical inspections are scheduled via phone system and by entering info via keypad, and you can select an inspection as early as the next day. Someone almost always shows up and if they don't you magically pass the inspection the next day (this has only happened to me on lesser inspections like damp proofing, otherwise someone has always shown up). If someone is reporting to you they can't get an inspection done, I'd question this. Permit approval, that's still a crap shoot at best.