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All Forum Posts by: Troy Sheets

Troy Sheets has started 53 posts and replied 1374 times.

Post: 9 unit new construction in Philadelphia

Troy SheetsPosted
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  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
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Quote from @Michael Smythe:

Buy the block and make your own market.

Congrats!


 Thanks Michael!

Post: 9 unit new construction in Philadelphia

Troy SheetsPosted
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  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
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Quote from @Philip Jackson:
Quote from @Troy Sheets:
Quote from @Eric Greenberg:

Congrats Troy! Thanks for the details on this project. How many lots did you utilize for the 9unit and what was the original zoning?Thats a shame on the building between the units and wild the 9-unit is only $6400 without the abatement! 

 The 9 unit was only two lots. The lot in between would have gotten me enough square footage to utilize the green roof bonus which would have gotten me 3 additional lots on top of the 4 by right the lot allowed. As far as taxes, I suspect it will be much higher at some later date, as of now the appraised value for tax purposes is only at $1m or so. I'm not complaining and it doesn't make a difference for the next 10 years, so they can appraise it at where they like, for now! 

@Troy Sheets how do I get started in new construction as a beginner 


 That's a broad question not knowing your background, experience, market, etc. If you have specific questions I'm happy to help. Broadly speaking, I would say network with developers in your market that are doing what you want to do. I've taken at least a dozen investors through this project at various stages and they asked a ton of questions and hopefully learned a lot. I'm always happy to help others and pass along knowledge and I'm sure you can find someone in your market that will do the same. In the meantime, ask away on here and I'll answer as best I can. 

Post: 9 unit new construction in Philadelphia

Troy SheetsPosted
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  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Eric Greenberg:

Congrats Troy! Thanks for the details on this project. How many lots did you utilize for the 9unit and what was the original zoning?Thats a shame on the building between the units and wild the 9-unit is only $6400 without the abatement! 

 The 9 unit was only two lots. The lot in between would have gotten me enough square footage to utilize the green roof bonus which would have gotten me 3 additional lots on top of the 4 by right the lot allowed. As far as taxes, I suspect it will be much higher at some later date, as of now the appraised value for tax purposes is only at $1m or so. I'm not complaining and it doesn't make a difference for the next 10 years, so they can appraise it at where they like, for now! 

Post: 9 unit new construction in Philadelphia

Troy SheetsPosted
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  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
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Here's a 9 unit I recently completed in West Philly, it's part of a syndication I put together and it has 4 buildings total in that syndication. I sourced the vacant lots, got them permitted, got the financing lined up, built them as the GC, then my wife leases them up and property manages. She's a realtor as well and we find that no one cares about your properties as much as you, so over the years we've become GC/property manager/realtor. 

Two doors down is a quadplex I built from the ground up at the same time and around the corner is also a quadplex and a duplex I just finished. I call this strategy "buy the block". It's important if you're going into a new area that doesn't have a ton of development yet, but you are very confident in, to purchase as much inexpensive land as possible before your plans become known but to also make sure you drive enough volume in that area to make it clear to tenants that they're not in a desert outpost all alone. When they see multiple new construction projects around the area they are more comfortable making their decision to rent your unit. When I bought these lots two years ago there wasn't any new construction in the area yet but here's where knowing your market and having a good idea of what drives development geographically, amongst other factors (jobs, amenities, public trans, etc.), is very important. I rode around and managed to find a few people working on rehabs and found out who they were renting to, rents they were getting, and one guy was kind enough to walk me through his rehab project. I liked the area geographically and for other reasons but once I had confirmation he was renting to nurses, meds and eds, grad students, university and hospital employees with good rent numbers, I was all in. We're getting great rents for the area so our research paid off. 

Funny story, there is a rundown vacant building between my 9 unit and quadplex, you can just see it peeking out on the right side of the first picture. I tried to buy it two plus years ago and would have torn it down and combined it with the 9 unit and 4 unit lots to make one large 21 unit building! As it sat it was worth less than $100k but somehow the owner figured out I owned the lots on either side of him so he wanted $200k for it plus I had to tear it down for another $20k or so. It still made sense to purchase but unfortunately my investors got nervous at the last minute since we were in the midst of a pandemic and the stock market was doing funky things, so they pulled their cash to purchase it and all my cash was tied up elsewhere, so I had to move forward with the quad and 9 unit. Everything worked out fine but even two plus years later the building still sits vacant and I'm not going to lie, it still stings looking at that thing! 

These projects are all in QOZ's and one of my investors was able to take advantage of that and we set up a QOF for two of the buildings for them. I'm headed out now for final inspections on the the quad and duplex and we'll start leasing up this weekend. Happy to answer questions if you have any and connect with anyone that's building new construction MFH. It's my favorite niche as you have equity the day you finish and you have a premium product that people want to rent. Also, maintenance costs are almost non-existent in the first few years as very little (generally) goes wrong in the first 5 years or so. My city also has a tax abatement program for new construction so I pay taxes on the land only for the first 10 years. My taxes on the 9 without the abatement would be around $6400 and with the abatement they're around $1800/year for 10 years. The city has recently stepped the abatement down so it's basically cut in half but all of these projects got in under the deadline and have the full 10 year abatement. 

Post: Who pays for damages on Section 8?

Troy SheetsPosted
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  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Lucy Balyan:
Quote from @Troy Sheets:
That's how it worked in NJ when I had Sec 8 rentals, tenant was responsible for damages but they're judgment proof. You have to suck it up, make the repairs and get it rerented on your dime.

 What do you mean section 8 is  "judgement proof"? you can't take them to court and ask for damages? who's going to pay for damages caused by section 8 tenant? it's not fair to rent to section 8 tenants and landlord gets stuck paying for eviction and damages.

S8 isn’t responsible for damages and won’t pay for or reimburse you for them. The tenant is responsible but in most cases the tenant has bad credit and already has collections/judgments that they’re not paying and they often don’t work or work long enough to garnish wages, thus they’re judgment proof. 

Post: New Construction Quadplex video walk through

Troy SheetsPosted
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  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Eric Greenberg:
Quote from @Troy Sheets:
Quote from @Eric Greenberg:

The units look great Troy. What bed/bath counts are the units and rough square footage? Are you still buying/building in W Kenzo? 

Thanks! 2/2.5 and close to 1200 each. No I’m all done in WK for now, since it got rezoned to mostly single family there’s not much that makes sense over there. I talk with homeowners and they are asking MFH prices for their lots and shells and don’t understand that city council downzoned them out of big money to save them from gentrification. 

 Thanks for the info! 2/2.5 and 1200sqft is a great market not being too large for a bunch of friend but also offering more bathrooms than anything not bee construction. 

Interesting. I had been looking at a few RM-1 shells over there a few years back but didnt pull the trigger. didnt realize they were rezoning up there. I had figured they were doing the opposite with the American st rezoning they proposed. 


 The opposite would make sense and be good for the community bringing more density, more shops, higher values, etc. Most of that area is a block or two in any direction from a bus stop and the El stop so it totally makes sense to downzone all of it to single family! 

Post: New Construction Quadplex video walk through

Troy SheetsPosted
  • Developer
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Eric Greenberg:

The units look great Troy. What bed/bath counts are the units and rough square footage? Are you still buying/building in W Kenzo? 

Thanks! 2/2.5 and close to 1200 each. No I’m all done in WK for now, since it got rezoned to mostly single family there’s not much that makes sense over there. I talk with homeowners and they are asking MFH prices for their lots and shells and don’t understand that city council downzoned them out of big money to save them from gentrification. 

Post: New Construction Quadplex video walk through

Troy SheetsPosted
  • Developer
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Andrew Syrios:

That's awesome, well done Troy!

Thank you sir, appreciate the kind words! 

Post: New Construction Quadplex video walk through

Troy SheetsPosted
  • Developer
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Scott Mac:

Hi Troy,

It looks like a money maker.

The units look very desirable (I see storage space).

I can envision the families that will make this their home. 

Enjoying holidays there, etc...

Have you thought about some signage naming it--such as Homestead Apartments or etc..

Interesting old brick garage across the street too.

Did the balconies over the sidewalk require any special air easements, or do they just let you build like that?

Good Luck!


 I don't think I'd name a 4 unit building but it's not a bad idea! The balconies were drawn in the plans and approved, there are rules for them such as they have to be a certain distance from the street, so if we had narrow sidewalks I may not have had enough room to put them there. I'm sure there are more considerations but they're not too onerous or ridiculous or I'd probably know what they are! We do have some silly zoning codes here but the balconies seem to be pretty logical as far as what's allowed. 

Post: New Construction Quadplex video walk through

Troy SheetsPosted
  • Developer
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Peter Jin:

@Troy Sheets

Very nice work. And. Budget is controlled so we'll. Congratulations.

I have two questions, 1) will you rent it or sell it? What is your strategy? 2) if you will rent them, will the cash flow support your 75% cash out refinance? Thank you


Hi Peter, this project is a long term hold. With the tax abatement and being new construction it should be an easy to manage property for the foreseeable future. Yes, cash flow should support 75% LTV and let us fully cash out, but as always it comes down to the whims of the appraiser. Fortunately there are a lot of new construction MFH comps in the area to support the value.