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All Forum Posts by: Troy Sheets

Troy Sheets has started 53 posts and replied 1374 times.

Post: I own a gutted house and I want to GC the rehab myself

Troy SheetsPosted
  • Developer
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Anthony Theokary:

Hi all I have a few questions and hope you can help me along the way. I own a 2 story house in South Philly and it’s fully gutted. I am putting a 3rd floor on and already have my zoning permits and waiting on construction plans. I DO NOT have my GC license. I want to know what I can do as the homeowner as far as pulling permits for all the work? Do I need my license?  If anyone can help me with this question please let me know.

 @Stuart Udis covered this well. This is absolutely not something to take on lightly. When I got licensed in Philadelphia I was blown away to discover I could take the OSHA 30, have the appropriate car insurance, and basically tear down and rebuild a house from the ground up with zero experience. Terrifying really. I was expecting testing, experience requirements, etc.

To date, I've done around 60 projects in Philly as a GC and started off in a similar fashion as you're proposing. I hired out my first couple projects and the amount of time the GC was on site was next to none. He would just call up subs, send them out with no plans, no instruction, and turn them loose. After visiting other jobs it's a similar story with many "investor friendly" GC's in the city. They're on the low end of the food chain and you get what you pay for. We're trying to get stuff built for $100/ft for full guts and a mid-tier GC that would probably do a good job is going to be at least $150, maybe more for a SFH, maybe a lot more. Point is, you either suffer with lower quality and manage them closely (may as well do it yourself at that point) or get licensed and learn the business. I had no plans to become a GC but after dealing with mediocre quality on two flips and then a new construction, I decided I couldn't do any worse because I would at least be on site and care about the quality. After only a few projects I was able to ramp up my investing and quit my job to invest full time and GC my own projects. I've done a handful of projects for others as well, mainly new construction MFH but have done plenty of SFH of all flavors. Here's a SFH rehab that was beyond a full gut, I only saved about half the foundation, the party walls, and the brick facade. Nearly all joists were replaced.

Happy to discuss your project if you get licensed and want some help with it. I hired a GC to hold my hand for my first two projects and part of the deal was he'd share his subs contact info, vendors, etc. to help me get up and running. I recommend if you're going to dive into this you get some help.

Post: Finally Sold My Nightmare Property!!! Next Steps????

Troy SheetsPosted
  • Developer
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Pat Hamilton:

@Eric Greenberg

@Herb Lau

I had issues with my contractor and my property manager, but I think I could have handled all of that.  It is to be expected.  I initially thought that by purchasing a 3 family home with 3 different tenants, I'd generally have a positive cash flow.  If one of them don't pay, at least the other 2 would.  I guess I didn't factor in the fact that the tenants speak with each other and give each other tips on how to work the legal system in Philadelphia.  I found myself in a situation where I had to evict all 3 tenants!

I think Philadelphia is nuisance to invest in.....from the rental permit (lead testing) & annual birt and npt tax....it' just annoying paperwork.  Jersey City, for example, is much better!  Less annoying paperwork.

Sorry to hear about your troubles and glad you’re on the other side of them. I would agree that Philadelphia can be challenging but if you buy a terrible house in a terrible area, almost any city will be tough to succeed in. 

I focus on new construction multis here in Philadelphia and we have excellent tenants that overall take great care of the units and pay on time. We focus on B- to C areas that are n the edge of development so by the time we buy the land, pernit and build we’re sitting in a good area for renting to meds, ed’s and young professionals and have good equity. 

I wouldn’t write off Philly necessarily, perhaps your targeted niche is the issue and if you replicate that niche in another city you also don’t understand, then your results will be similar. Philly is tough and block by block but not unmanageable. 

Post: Best neighborhoods for LTR in the class B to A- range?

Troy SheetsPosted
  • Developer
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Asish Balu:

Hello Philly Biggerpockets,

I own a rental property in Baltimore and looking for my next buy and hold in Philly.
Doing initial research now. Goal is B to A- neighborhoods with solid rents and potential for appreciation.

My #1 neighborhood right now is Port Richmond.

The 1% rule is not required (is that even possible anymore?). I'm not looking for gut renos, but could do small cosmetic upgrades/fixes.

Budget: 300-500k ARV

Hi Asish, Port Richmond is a good option as it’s still up and coming as compared to Fishtown or NoLibs, so there’s room for appreciation in the future and the prices aren’t astronomical yet. Just be careful with neighborhoods like this as realtors and wholesalers like to stretch the boundaries of these neighborhoods and you could end up on the wrong side of the tracks. I also like Mt. Airy, Chestnut Hill, Clark Park (you may be priced out there and need to look a bit further West), Grad Hospital on the edges as you’ll be priced out for most of it, etc. Plenty of great neighborhoods to look at for your price range. 

Keep in mind the better the neighborhood the stronger the tenant demand even if the market cools. Our further out (fringier) West Philly rentals have diminished interest while our University City rentals still have strong demand. 

I’m a GC and my wife is a realtor and property manager. Reach out if you’d like some help in your search or rehab. 

Post: Philly; buying RM1 single family houses and converting into duplexes?

Troy SheetsPosted
  • Developer
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Alan Asriants:

Hey Alex, I am an investor and agent in the area and mainly help buyers looking to house hack. 

Having a single family in RM1 zoning is great but it isnt so cut and dry.

You still need approval from the zoning depart, plans, drawings, etc. This can all take an extended amount of time and it is possible that you won't get approval.

Not only is this a process with the city, but it is also quite expensive to convert a single family into a multi family. 

Feel free to reach out anytime!


If you know the zoning and building codes it is pretty cut and dry and it will be approved. Perhaps you’re confusing a zoning variance with a by right conversion? 

Post: Philly; buying RM1 single family houses and converting into duplexes?

Troy SheetsPosted
  • Developer
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Alex Grabish:

Hey all! I’m an aspiring investor based out of the Philly market, my main strategy I’m focusing on is house hacking a duplex or triplex in an affordable-ish neighborhood and one of the biggest problems I run into on listings is the property not being legally zoned for a multi family use. I have done my research and I’m confident in saying I would like to keep my visits to the zoning committee minimal. So the other day I was browsing the Philly ATLAS for a duplexs’ zoning and I happened to stumble upon a single family home on an all rm1 zoned block and I was wondering how feasible it is to convert a single family row home into a duplex if it’s already zoned/if anyone has any experience doing this, thanks!

There are pitfalls even if the property is zoned RM1. Unit count for mfh is based on lot size. Yiu need a minimum of 720 sq ft lot to make it a duplex with RM1 zoning. 1 sq ft less than that and you still only get a sfh. Reach out, I’m a GC and developer and my wife is a realtor, we work with people all the time to find properties and rehab or build them. 

Post: How much preparation and learning before buying my first property?

Troy SheetsPosted
  • Developer
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Peter Martinson:

First, thank you for taking the time to read this.  The Bigger Pockets community is very impressive.

I read Kiyosaki's "Rich Dad Poor Dad" book over the past two weeks, and very much identified with his poor dad.  People may see Kiyosaki as a scammer or grifter, but he really put a fire under my butt.  So now I'm looking for ways to build up my currently empty asset column, and started reading Dorkin and Turner's "How to Invest in Real Estate", since I know nothing about the topic.  I'm open to other ways of making money, but Real Estate seems like a pretty good place to start.

My situation: I'm in my mid-40s, married with two kids.  We're barely break even with my and my wife's jobs, and some help from the family.  No retirement or savings to speak of, though I have started socking away some money at each paycheck before paying bills.  We have mortgage and student loan debt, as well as some consumer debt.  But, I am working to have the consumer debt paid off early next year.  I also don't think I know anyone currently involved with RE investing, except the agent who helped me find my current house.

The big question is, how much prep work/studying should I do before jumping in and trying to buy a house?  I don't want to keep preparing until I'm dead, but also don't want to suddenly find myself with an investment property that I don't know how to handle.  But a lot of advice I'm hearing is "Just buy something RIGHT NOW with creative financing!"

Thanks for your time!



I'm in Philadelphia, reach out any time. I read RDPD probably 20 years ago and it lit a fire for me as well, doesn't matter if it's 100% fiction, the mindset shift is what matters. My first home AND investment here was a quadplex I house hacked using an FHA loan with 3.5% down. If you can find something you can afford in an area you like I highly recommend house hacking a 2-4 unit MFH for your first investment using an FHA loan.

Post: 9 unit new construction in Philadelphia

Troy SheetsPosted
  • Developer
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Prashant P.:

Looks great Troy.  Lets check up some time.


 Prashant, so good to hear from you! Shoot me a text and let’s catch up, it’s been years! 

Post: 9 unit new construction in Philadelphia

Troy SheetsPosted
  • Developer
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Zahmir Brooks-Smith:
Quote from @Troy Sheets:
Quote from @Zahmir Brooks-Smith:

Wow @Troy Sheets!

I see this big project and the "buy the block" idea fitting right in with what I imagine for West Philly. I'm an agent and investor, but I want to learn more about this kind of development. How did you go about getting the empty lots? I used to think running my property management company was the way to buy properties, but could being a General Contractor help get more investors on board?

Hi Zahmir, nice to see another Philly investor on here! These lots were on the MLS believe it or not, they were just overlooked for whatever reason. I did get one off market by cold calling the owner and have used wholesalers and marketing to secure projects in the past. I bought these about three years ago and was ahead of the curve a bit on this area but knew from experience that this area was a good bet. They're a half block off Lancaster Ave and there are multiple trolley and bus stops in several directions. There's a huge active church on the block that looks beautiful but isn't too busy so there's plenty of parking most days and there's a big elementary school on the next block so again, plenty of parking and it looks nice. There's the commercial corridor on Lancaster that will hopefully improve over time and be a benefit, and lastly, these are nice wide blocks with parking on both sides of the street and wide sidewalks so they feel nice and inviting and there's no drama on these blocks, very quiet. Lastly, I knew we were close enough to get the meds and eds from Penn, CHOP, Drexel, etc. and that's mostly who we leased to. That's why I was comfortable going a bit ahead of where development was when I bought these. I would look outside of current development areas but not too far, and look for blocks that feel good to walk down. Wide blocks, wide sidewalks, not too desolate, not scary feeling, no drama, etc. Go there at 6pm on a nice Friday afternoon and see what it's like too.

As far as being a GC, I ended up becoming a GC because the GC's in Philly are terrible. I hired out my first couple projects and realized I couldn't do worse blindfolded, now 60 projects later it turned out to be a great move for several reasons. First, I control quality, cost, speed, etc. Second, becoming a GC allowed me to quit my day job and go full time building my own projects as I charge my investors to GC the projects, and that allowed me to find more deals and investors much faster as being in/around RE all day every day is very helpful to scale quickly. Last thoughts on being a GC, if you have a track record, it's very encouraging for investors to partner with you as you have skin in the game and can show them previous projects you completed successfully. As I'm sure you know, finding a good GC is hard and that's taking one variable out of the development equation and puts investors at ease a bit. 

If you have a day job in RE, I wouldn't say being a GC is necessary. It's a lot of work, you have to be on the projects every day looking for issues, watching your subs, etc. You really can't trust any of them to complete the work correctly, unfortunately, as the owners of the sub companies are rarely on site and you have to babysit their guys to make sure things are done correctly. Being a GC will take a lot of your time if you're doing it right and if you can't afford the time and already make good money elsewhere, I wouldn't go down that path unless you're passionate about construction and becoming a GC and can afford the time away from your current businesses or job. 

Nice! Thanks for the insight! I’ve considered becoming a GC after running projects for other companies as a project manager. I tend to like the control since quality of work, speed, and my financial management methods are better than most I’ve seen from other GCs or subs. though I’m an agent, I’ll definitely seek more information for taking this direction.

 It's simple enough to get your GC license in Philly and if you have the experience, you should do well running your own jobs. 

Post: 9 unit new construction in Philadelphia

Troy SheetsPosted
  • Developer
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Philip Jackson:
Quote from @Troy Sheets:
Quote from @Philip Jackson:
Quote from @Troy Sheets:
Quote from @Eric Greenberg:

Congrats Troy! Thanks for the details on this project. How many lots did you utilize for the 9unit and what was the original zoning?Thats a shame on the building between the units and wild the 9-unit is only $6400 without the abatement! 

 The 9 unit was only two lots. The lot in between would have gotten me enough square footage to utilize the green roof bonus which would have gotten me 3 additional lots on top of the 4 by right the lot allowed. As far as taxes, I suspect it will be much higher at some later date, as of now the appraised value for tax purposes is only at $1m or so. I'm not complaining and it doesn't make a difference for the next 10 years, so they can appraise it at where they like, for now! 

@Troy Sheets how do I get started in new construction as a beginner 


 That's a broad question not knowing your background, experience, market, etc. If you have specific questions I'm happy to help. Broadly speaking, I would say network with developers in your market that are doing what you want to do. I've taken at least a dozen investors through this project at various stages and they asked a ton of questions and hopefully learned a lot. I'm always happy to help others and pass along knowledge and I'm sure you can find someone in your market that will do the same. In the meantime, ask away on here and I'll answer as best I can. 

im an investor in Philly as well, I currently have some rentals , have done 1 fix and flip.  I also have 1 infill lot in Delaware county that I own free & clear .  Is it true that the bank would use the lot as collateral for a new construction loan @Troy Sheets

Yes, the lot value as well as any soft costs like architecture, engineering, etc. can count as well with most banks. I generally get 100% of construction funded without issue. 

Post: 9 unit new construction in Philadelphia

Troy SheetsPosted
  • Developer
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 1,400
  • Votes 900
Quote from @Zahmir Brooks-Smith:

Wow @Troy Sheets!

I see this big project and the "buy the block" idea fitting right in with what I imagine for West Philly. I'm an agent and investor, but I want to learn more about this kind of development. How did you go about getting the empty lots? I used to think running my property management company was the way to buy properties, but could being a General Contractor help get more investors on board?

Hi Zahmir, nice to see another Philly investor on here! These lots were on the MLS believe it or not, they were just overlooked for whatever reason. I did get one off market by cold calling the owner and have used wholesalers and marketing to secure projects in the past. I bought these about three years ago and was ahead of the curve a bit on this area but knew from experience that this area was a good bet. They're a half block off Lancaster Ave and there are multiple trolley and bus stops in several directions. There's a huge active church on the block that looks beautiful but isn't too busy so there's plenty of parking most days and there's a big elementary school on the next block so again, plenty of parking and it looks nice. There's the commercial corridor on Lancaster that will hopefully improve over time and be a benefit, and lastly, these are nice wide blocks with parking on both sides of the street and wide sidewalks so they feel nice and inviting and there's no drama on these blocks, very quiet. Lastly, I knew we were close enough to get the meds and eds from Penn, CHOP, Drexel, etc. and that's mostly who we leased to. That's why I was comfortable going a bit ahead of where development was when I bought these. I would look outside of current development areas but not too far, and look for blocks that feel good to walk down. Wide blocks, wide sidewalks, not too desolate, not scary feeling, no drama, etc. Go there at 6pm on a nice Friday afternoon and see what it's like too.

As far as being a GC, I ended up becoming a GC because the GC's in Philly are terrible. I hired out my first couple projects and realized I couldn't do worse blindfolded, now 60 projects later it turned out to be a great move for several reasons. First, I control quality, cost, speed, etc. Second, becoming a GC allowed me to quit my day job and go full time building my own projects as I charge my investors to GC the projects, and that allowed me to find more deals and investors much faster as being in/around RE all day every day is very helpful to scale quickly. Last thoughts on being a GC, if you have a track record, it's very encouraging for investors to partner with you as you have skin in the game and can show them previous projects you completed successfully. As I'm sure you know, finding a good GC is hard and that's taking one variable out of the development equation and puts investors at ease a bit. 

If you have a day job in RE, I wouldn't say being a GC is necessary. It's a lot of work, you have to be on the projects every day looking for issues, watching your subs, etc. You really can't trust any of them to complete the work correctly, unfortunately, as the owners of the sub companies are rarely on site and you have to babysit their guys to make sure things are done correctly. Being a GC will take a lot of your time if you're doing it right and if you can't afford the time and already make good money elsewhere, I wouldn't go down that path unless you're passionate about construction and becoming a GC and can afford the time away from your current businesses or job.