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All Forum Posts by: Trey McGovern

Trey McGovern has started 3 posts and replied 21 times.

Post: Newbie from Kinston NC

Trey McGovernPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • New Bern, NC
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 24

Hey Marvin, nice to have you in the area and looking to invest!

Myself and @Stephen E. host a real estate investors meeting here in New Bern at the Chamber of Commerce on every second Thursday of the month from 6:00-8:00 pm 

We are called the East Carolina Real Estate Investors Association or ECREIA and we would love to have you out. I also work on a sales team and am a very active investor myself and we have a team member who specializes in Kinston specifically and who is also moving in the investing direction. 

I would love to connect the two of you, just send me a private message and I can get you his info. 

Trey

Post: New member from New Bern, NC

Trey McGovernPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • New Bern, NC
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 24

Hi John, and welcome to BP!

I am also from New Bern and invest in the area and would love to chat with you sometime. 

@Stephen E. and I also host the East Carolina REIA meeting here in town on the second Thursday of every month if that is something you might be interested in attending.

Lets link up!

Post: East Carolina Real Estate Investors Association Inaugural Meeting

Trey McGovernPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • New Bern, NC
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 24

Hey guys, 

Thanks so much for all the interest and responses! Looks like we are going to have a nice turnout for our first meeting. 

If you would like to be added to our email list for this, please just PM myself or @Stephen E. and we will make sure you are setup to receive the communication from the group. 

Additionally, you can head over to our Facebook page for updates and articles at facebook.com/ECREIA

If anyone has any questions or suggestions, please feel free to shoot them on over to us as well. We are in the infancy stage and want to really make sure we are providing a high-quality atmosphere to our members. 

Thanks!

Trey McGovern REALTOR®

Post: Eastern NC Real Estate Investors Meetup Jacksonville, NC

Trey McGovernPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • New Bern, NC
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 24

hey Stephen let's chat. I've been thinking of starting a small meetup here in New Bern

Post: New Bern/Trent Woods market

Trey McGovernPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • New Bern, NC
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 24

First thing that pops into mind are zoning issues trying to turn some of them into Multi-families. Thats not much of a problem for this house though as it was zoned commercial for the bed & breakfast aspect. Then again though, with zoning and multifamilies, you still need a certain amount of green space, and I am not sure the city would be willing to negotiate on that factor. 

Turning it back into a B&B and maybe just straight streamlined to an Air B&B model might be the best thing for this house unless it goes back to single family residence. 

As for the demographics, we tend to be more retiree friendly in these parts than millennial geared, although our supposed average age for the area is about 36 years old. 

Im a huge fan of our beaches and  water access in general. In fact I make it to Beaufort, Shack, or the Circle most weekends from spring through late fall. Just such a beautiful area. 

Post: New Bern/Trent Woods market

Trey McGovernPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • New Bern, NC
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 24

A beautiful Bed and Breakfast that is HUGE but well distressed just reduced to about $125,000 with a tax value just north of $300,000. 

6 Beds

4 Baths

3200 Sq. Ft. 

These deals exist! This B&B is about a block from the river!

Post: Multi-family properties near New Bern, NC or Morehead City, NC

Trey McGovernPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • New Bern, NC
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 24

Michael, lets talk!

I am an agent here in New Bern as well as specializing in finding myself and clients rental units of all types. 

Direct message me here and we can speak further! I would be happy to assist you. 

Post: Fairly new member from New Bern, NC

Trey McGovernPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • New Bern, NC
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 24
Originally posted by @Tom Sadler:

Hello all - 

Looking to sell waterfront property in New Bern ( Trent Woods). Great location. Needs a bit of love. Let me know if interested.

 Hi Tom, I sent you a colleague request and some questions I have about the property. Just wanted to make sure you were receiving the notifications since it seems you are a new member. 

Welcome to BiggerPockets, by the way. 

Post: Can you rent your house to yourself? Let me explain.....

Trey McGovernPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • New Bern, NC
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 24
Originally posted by @Brandon Hall:

@Trey McGovern

"Im not concerned with creating or fabricating losses to reduce my liabilities"

It doesn't matter. Congress enacted the self-rental rules because people would rent to themselves to create losses. Now, whether you want to or not, this type of situation will be subject to the self-rental rules. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just another layer of information to navigate. 

It also doesn't matter what type of entity you are leasing from, how legit it's structured, etc. If you have a material stake in the lessor entity, you're going to be subject to the self-rental rules. 

If operating expenses plus depreciation/amortization puts the rental at a loss, the loss is considered passive. You will not be able to offset the loss (the amount below $0) with the income of the other rentals. Instead, it will simply remain suspended until your self-rental activity, or a passive investment (i.e. in a partnership or syndication), shows income. 

"What if the plan is to hold for 30+ years? And then if I do buy it personally at first, and want to turn it into an investment property to get it out of my name, what does that look like? And how do I avoid the potential taxes?"

Live in it for two years, then rent it. If, within the next three years after you move out, the property realizes significant appreciation, sell the property to an S/C-Corp that you own. The sale will be a taxable transaction, but you'll be able to use the $250/500k exclusion. On top of that, you maintain ownership of the rental at a stepped up basis. 

At the end of the day, self-rentals are more glamour than useful. But they can certainly be useful depending on the situation. One of the best reasons to utilize self-rentals is when you are an S/C-Corp and you need to extract profit from the Corp to either avoid SE taxes or 15% dividend taxes. The S/C-Corp occupies the real estate and pays rent to your LLC, which owns the real estate. That's where something like this becomes extremely useful, but not necessarily when it's in your own name.

 That covers pretty much what I was looking for. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Post: Can you rent your house to yourself? Let me explain.....

Trey McGovernPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • New Bern, NC
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 24

@Brandon Hall These rules will basically make it difficult for you to claim the net taxable loss (if any) caused by your self-rental. 

>>> Im not concerned with creating or fabricating losses to reduce my liabilities, and I would certainly follow all the rules. I am curious if this efffects the depreciation value though. If that is what technically makes you have a loss, is that not considered? Or would certain things be considered separately? Like depreciation? would it be allowed? Interest on mortgage?  

@Russell Brazil You will miss out on the greatest tax break available to the american public, the $500,000 exemption from capital gains on a primary residence sale. 

>>> What if the plan is to hold for 30+ years? And then if I do buy it personally at first, and want to turn it into an investment property to get it out of my name, what does that look like? And how do I avoid the potential taxes? 

@Joe Splitrock

@Joe Splitrock If this was allowed, everyone would just rent their house back to themselves at a loss. We could take all repairs, lawn care, utilities and insurance as an expense. The problem is you cannot claim expenses from your personal residence as a tax write off. You cannot take a loss on your primary residence through depreciation.

>>> So even if it was structured, run, and documented like a legitimate business model as if I was renting to any old John Smith out there, I couldnt make any of these deductions and it would still be considered as my primary residence and disregarded as a business holding. Even though it has current history for 5+ years as being a rental property, and it would be held under my rental company next, with intentions of it being such a property, with me being the tenant for the first 1-3 years of ownership, it would not be regarded as such? 

You are the first person I have heard with this great idea, which leads me to believe it is not as good as you think. 

>>> Bit harsh, dont ya think? Im six months into this and trying to figure out best practices and strategy, so I dont know that its kookie, and I certainly dont think it ever hurts to ask questions and learn why it is, or may not be, the best practice. 

And I certainly hope you dont believe that just because YOU personally havent experienced something first hand that it makes it invalid or somehow less deserving of discussion.