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All Forum Posts by: Trevon Peracca

Trevon Peracca has started 72 posts and replied 230 times.

Post: Got preapproved for 290k - Lender requires 25%

Trevon PeraccaPosted
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  • Chicago, IL
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Originally posted by @Jacob Pereira:

@Trevon Peracca, Semper Fi! That's even better. I actually got started when I used my VA loan with zero down when I got out of the Corps. If it's less than 5 units you could use it here, otherwise it'll be tougher.

That would be a great idea, except as I noted above, I don't plan to live in the property.

Post: Got preapproved for 290k - Lender requires 25%

Trevon PeraccaPosted
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Originally posted by @Ian Walsh:

Do they allow you to buy in an LLC with a partner? I see that pretty frequently. Either look into that or possibly another lender.

 That's a great idea, I will look into that.

Post: Got preapproved for 290k - Lender requires 25%

Trevon PeraccaPosted
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Originally posted by @Jacob Pereira:

What about borrowing against your own 401k account for the downpayment? I'm not an expert in this, but I believe you can borrow 50% of the value, up to $50k, which wouldn't cover the full 25% you need but would go a long way towards it.

That is an excellent idea, however the US Marine Corps doesn't offer a 401k or IRA. I think they offer something similar called TSP (Thrift Savings Plan), I would have to look into it to see if borrowing is allowed.

Post: Got preapproved for 290k - Lender requires 25%

Trevon PeraccaPosted
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Originally posted by @Derek Carroll:

see if the seller will carry back a 10-20% loan. You may have to use another bank but I've quoted deals in the past where a bank will lend 75% and let the seller carry back an additional 10-20%. 

It's tougher to find but certainly doable. 

 So it is possible... That is why i do not fall for limiting beliefs. I think this would be a great strategy. I would imagine i would probably find greater success in the smaller community banks or a direct lender for this method?

Post: Got preapproved for 290k - Lender requires 25%

Trevon PeraccaPosted
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Originally posted by @Alexander Felice:

The only product that I know you can get 0% down with is a VA loan. All other products require money down.

The real strategy OP needs is to find a way to buy the house without using bank funding, then refinance after ownership (through a cash-out, or delayed financing). This is the creative strategy you are looking for. Find a way to finance the home through hard-money, private lenders, or cash. Once you own the unit, there are some financing options that open up. Find a lender that knows this process BEFORE you purchase so you have everything lined up and not jumping in blind.

Thank you! Finally an answer rather than a comment or opinion. This is commonly referred to as the BRRRR strategy right?

Post: Got preapproved for 290k - Lender requires 25%

Trevon PeraccaPosted
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Originally posted by @David Zheng:

If this is your first rental, there is slim to no chance in getting a conventional loan on rental with 0% of your own money. sorry to say but no one is going to trust a new investor with 0 skin in the game.

You almost always have to throw your own capital at the first couple properties you buy in order to build credit with lenders.

if you really want to do 0%, you would have to get that from friends or family/have a co-signer

 Do you have any unconventional strategies that I might be able to use?

Post: Got preapproved for 290k - Lender requires 25%

Trevon PeraccaPosted
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Originally posted by @David Zheng:

If this is your first rental, there is slim to no chance in getting a conventional loan on rental with 0% of your own money. sorry to say but no one is going to trust a new investor with 0 skin in the game.

You almost always have to throw your own capital at the first couple properties you buy in order to build credit with lenders.

if you really want to do 0%, you would have to get that from friends or family/have a co-signer

 So you are saying that if I had a cosigner, there might be a chance of me getting it?

Post: Got preapproved for 290k - Lender requires 25%

Trevon PeraccaPosted
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Originally posted by @Chris Mason:

@Trevon Peracca

LTV on a purchase is defined as the lesser of contract purchase price or appraised value. If the contract says $150k and the appraisal says $500,000,000,000, it's a property with a market value of $150k. Period.

LTV is the correct term. "Value" in this case means market value, not whimsical value. No new acronym is needed for LTV. If someone is willing to sell at $150k, and you're willing to buy at $150k, the market value of that asset, on that exact day, is $150k regardless of what an appraiser says.

A term you may be thinking of is ARV. For owner occupied loans, google search "FHA 203k." For investment SFRs, google search "HomeStyle." Those use ARV.

 Definitely not referring to a "whimsical" value, but rather the as-is value based on comparable properties.

As investors, we all know people are willing to sell properties far below market value of the motivation is right. 

The market value doesn't reflect when John Doe needs to sell his home by Monday because he needs $12000 to fly to Spain to be at the death bed of his mother in her last weeks to live. 

If comps say his property is worth 100k as-is and he accepts 48k from because he I can help I'm get 12000 by Monday that's not the market dictating the sale. Not to mention most of appraisers do not consider all-cash offers in there calculations from what I've been told. If they did, investors would drove down property values very rapidly. 

Thoughts?

Post: Got preapproved for 290k - Lender requires 25%

Trevon PeraccaPosted
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Trevon Peracca:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Trevon Peracca   I would suggest being careful.  "Creativity" is the first step to mortgage fraud.

I would suggest trying to get 100% (or as close to it as possible) owner financing with a balloon.  Try to set the terms long enough to build up enough equity and cash to satisfy a lender.

This strategy can make you lots of money or make your entire investment be lost in foreclosure so be fairly conservative on the numbers.

Thanks for your input Michael!

I am not looking to commit mortgage fraud or anything unlawful, unethical or immoral for that matter. I am just look for options that can help me acquire a rental property without tying up my capital. 

One of the things I forgot to mention is my conversation with the mortgage broker about LTV. She proceeded to tell me that they will fund 75% LTV only she meant the purchase price but kept referring to it as LTV.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but LTV is loan to value, so a lender that does 75% LTV should fund 150k on a property appraised at 200k.

My understanding is the LTV is there to secure the lenders collateral in the loan.

That being said, if I lock up a property appraised at 200k with purchase agreement of 150k the lender should be willing to fund 100% of my purchase price right? Right now I am being told I am wrong to by the lender.

If i am wrong, they need create a new loan-to-purchase acyronom.

If I am right I might need to find a new lender.

Thoughts?

Wrong. When lenders use LTV, the V, or Value, is the purchase price. They are not concerned if the property appraises for more than the purchase price. They are concerned if the property appraises for less.

Lenders want you, the buyer, to have skin in the game. Not a single lender will allow you to purchase this house with $0 out of pocket. Things have changed since 2007. 

Your best bet is to find a seller willing to finance 100%. Your odds of that are slim to none as well. Any seller willing to carry 100% probably means that there is a huge issue with the property.

I suggest you wholesale some more properties, build up a 3.5% down payment, and use FHA financing to buy your first property.

Yeah the two problems are 1. that it's an investment property that I will not be living in, and 2. It's not my first property. FHA and VA loans require you to reside in the property with intentions on staying for at least a year.

And thanks for your input my the way! Everything you said makes sense. I continue to save, but I know there are other options out there... Even if it means not using a traditional lender.

Post: Got preapproved for 290k - Lender requires 25%

Trevon PeraccaPosted
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Trevon Peracca   Well... I hate to be negative but... appraisals are not very accurate.  Most banks know this.  If they plan on holding the loan long term or if they follow good business practices they will consider sales price as a better indication of value than an appraisal.

 Hmmmm.... I didn't really see it that way, buy it makes sense when you explain it like that. 

I suppose that makes it difficult for any investor to make it happen with no money on a conventional mortgage. 

Any other suggestions if I cannot get the seller to finance or use the conventional loan?