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All Forum Posts by: Tom O.

Tom O. has started 10 posts and replied 208 times.

Post: Looking for new real estate coach.

Tom O.Posted
  • Chicago
  • Posts 212
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Quote from @Joe S.:
Quote from @Tom O.:

If you want someone to throw money at you can hire me. 

But all my genius has come from one book (out of the dozens on RE investing I have read). 

David Lindahl's Multi-Unit Millions. 

Have you bought any real estate because of that one book you mentioned? :-) I’ve never read his book, but I would be open to it.


Any? I'm at 4 buildings, 25 doors. Doubled the value of two out of four buildings in less than 2 years. Tripled the equity I started with (down payments). It totally gave me the confidence to run the numbers and buy my first building for slightly over the asking price (over the wife's objections). And has given me this blue print going forward. 

That first building was such a good deal in such a rapidly gentrifying area and helped by my renovation of two of the four units that in less than two years it appraised at twice the purchase price. I pulled $60k out, kept the payment about the same due to lower interest and bought another 4-unit with that $60K. So it's like my second building was free. 

I'm not sure I would have started without having the confidence reading Lindahl's book gave me. I saw the potential of deals because of it. 

Post: Chicago - Snow Removal

Tom O.Posted
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I got a guy. He's doing my house in Lakeview and he'll do Pilsen and Little Village. Probably anywhere in Chicago. His name is Alex and his number is: 

He's reliable and not very expensive. Mostly he snowblows and hand shovels. I don't think he has a plow. 

He's also a handyman/renovator/contractor but I have not used him for that. Great guy. 

3Three1-645-61OO

Post: On the verge of my first property!

Tom O.Posted
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Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Tom O.:

If you've ever worked with a skilled REALTOR, you know they bring more value than just filling out a contract. I've seen people buy a FSBO without a REALTOR and spend a lot more fixing problems than they would have paid for a skilled REALTOR to keep them out of trouble.

Everyone is free to do what they want and my advice doesn't cost anything.


I'm not saying they don't bring value and I'm not saying what they do is limited to filling out the contract. Please don't put words in my mouth. My point is they don't typically justify a commission for a hefty fee on a FSBO deal.

And if you need a lawyer for the closing I'm not sure what the realtor bring sto the deal. If the realtor wants to do it for a flat fee, that's a different story and they may be well worth it. 

Post: Looking for new real estate coach.

Tom O.Posted
  • Chicago
  • Posts 212
  • Votes 163

If you want someone to throw money at you can hire me. 

But all my genius has come from one book (out of the dozens on RE investing I have read). 

David Lindahl's Multi-Unit Millions. 

Post: On the verge of my first property!

Tom O.Posted
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Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @James Hamilton:

There's no right answer. I think it's a good experience to try managing on your own, but it also comes with increased risk of making a mistake during the purchase process or as a Landlord. If you have the ability to self-educate and are pretty good at handling difficult situations, then I think you should give it a try.

I do not recommend buying without a REALTOR. They can help cross-check the contract. They understand market prices and can ensure you're not getting taken for a ride. They have contacts for inspections. They are objective and not emotionally/financially involved.


I'm going to respectfully disagree. You can hire an attorney for a few hundred bucks to get you to the closing. A RE agent is going to raise the price and take a commission for not bringing much to the table. You can ask them to work for a flat fee. I did that with a FSBO guy. His lawyer wanted $3,500 to draft the sales contract. My realtor would do it for $1500 which we split 50/50.

I would not use a realtor unless you can get them to agree to working on a flat fee. But if you need a lawyer for the closing then you don't really need a realtor as a buyer. 

Post: How much would you pay for this property?

Tom O.Posted
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Questions first: 

1. Well maintained but how about updated? Have the units been updated in 30 years? Are you looking at 16 renovations of kitchens and baths? Floors? 

2. What are the actual expenses? Does it have separate utilities for heat? You don't want to guess at the NOI even if the rents are low.

3. Are they all on leases or month to month? How hard will it be to raise rents? Obviously, you can't get market rent if the unit's are 30 years out of date. 

Two ways to value the building: 1) cap rate; 2) comparables. 

Yes, it's hard to find a true comp -- a 16 unit building. But you can find 4, 6 8 or 10 unit buildings and figure out the area's per unit price. I just saw a 10-unit in Fort freakin' Wayne Indiana that they want $104,000 per unit, which seems insanely high to me based on an NOI of like $60K.

But it's listed by a respectable commercial realtor and God knows every owner has the right to put whatever stupid high price on their property they can and hope for the best. Or, as my Dad used to say: "there's an asking price and a selling price." 

Have you asked the sellers what price they are looking for? You said they want to put it on the MLS so isn't this an exercise in futility? They will put a big MLS price on it or it will get bid up on the MLS. Good luck. Come back and update us.

Post: California is at it again.

Tom O.Posted
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Most landlords will just require a higher credit score. Most criminals don't have good credit scores. 

Post: Converting coin laundry to card laundry

Tom O.Posted
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Quote from @Eric Vlahos:

Not sure if you have an answer or not, but my company actually does this with apartments, so I have some unbiased opinions:

1. The best company to incorporate is PayRange. It's relatively low cost, has lower CC % fees, and extremely easy to install.

2. Credit card readers at machines are hardly ever worth it since they're expensive per card reader, have ongoing monthly fees for support, and additional CC % fees

3. Laundry Card is my favorite since it usually means people spend more. They have to populate the card with either cash or CC/DC, and then once it's on the card, they use it to start the machine. This way, you hold onto the "float" or the money left over on the card after they spend the initial amount.

- Example: I (the tenant) put $10 on a card. I spend $2 on washer and $2 on dryer. If I was doing #1 or #2, you would receive the proceeds of the $4 after fees, but with #3, you would receive $10 less fees (if they paid with card), and then the remainder $6 would stay on their until they use it, or redeem. Think of it as a gift card for the laundry room.

However, BIG CAVEAT, with only 1 set of equipment, I would suggest #1 highly. As long as your tenants have a smart phone, they'll use it. #2 is a close second, but #3 is really only for big apartment complexes.

Hope this helps...

AERC Laundry Solutions


 Very interesting. Does Pay Range require an internet connection? Is there a way to convert existing machines to cards or do I need to buy new machines? 

Where is your current property manager? 

I'd say it's time for you to start a property management company. 

If you need help, I would love to assist. I'm invested further north. 

Post: Is $10k too much to join a real estate mentor group?

Tom O.Posted
  • Chicago
  • Posts 212
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I learned a whole lot from David Lindahl's book Multi-Family Millions.