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All Forum Posts by: Tom Gimer

Tom Gimer has started 12 posts and replied 3415 times.

Post: Joint tenancy vs tenancy in common

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@Mike Boss You've got it right. The last remaining survivor in a joint tenancy takes 100%. A wife would not "inherit" because the joint tenancy interest does not go through probate. This is a general rule.

If you want your heirs to take your interest, you title as t/c. If you want the survivor to take outside of probate, you title as j/t.

To change from a j/t to t/c you would have all joint owners execute a new deed to those same owners as tenants in common. If you wanted the share to be other than 1/2 or 1/3 1/3 1/3 or 1/4 1/4 1/4 1/4 etc. (the default for 2, 3 and 4 tenants and so on) you would include the shares or percentages in the grant.

Post: Buying investment prop with ground rent?

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@Kevin Coleman The first thing you need to do is figure out if the ground rent is registered. You can do that by pulling the SDAT real property record and click on the View Ground Rent Registration link. If the ground rent isn't registered, the annual rent, etc. cannot be collected or enforced and there's no point even worrying about it.

If the ground rent is registered, you can determine the exact amount to redeem it -- it's a simple calculation based upon the date of the original lease and the annual rent. Just add deed prep and transfer taxes.

I would not avoid properties just because of the ground rent element.

Post: My Tenant Wants to Buy the Property through Seller Financing

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@Brian Dvorak Yes as to title company. No as to bank -- you are the bank now. Using an attorney to prep docs and close is always smart. There is no need to change title before closing... trust would be the lender.

https://www.calculator.net/amortization-calculator.html?cloa...

Note should include a provision similar to the following:

FOR VALUE RECEIVED, I, [Borrower name] (hereinafter known as “Borrower”), promise to pay to the order of [Trustee/trust, payment address] (hereinafter known as “Lender”) the sum of Fifty-Two Thousand and 00/100 Dollars ($52,000.00), with interest from the date hereof until paid at the rate of Six percent (6%) per annum on the unpaid balance, payable as follows: Commencing on April 1, 2024, and continuing on the 1st day of each and every month thereafter principal and interest payments of $577.31, with the entire remaining unpaid balance of principal and interest, if not sooner paid, being due and payable in full on or before March 1, 2034 (the "maturity date").

Record a first priority security instrument (mortgage or deed of trust).

Post: Seller threatening to break contract to put back on market (for more $)

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Quote from @Stan Tallman:

He's contractually obligated to sell-my point is if he tries to break the contract, what then? (assuming I still want to buy as is)

A sternly worded letter from an attorney advising that the buyer intends to pursue all available remedies (including recovering all costs and expense incurred in enforcing the contract, if it provides for that) tends to help most sellers understand the reality of what they agreed to.

If the contract isn’t bulletproof this is when the buyer makes that unfortunate discovery.

Post: Pace Morby's Subto Mentorship is the BEST!

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Quote from @Luis Ramos:

@Chris Seveney

@Steve K.

Hey Guys, just be happy paying your 9% DSCR loans, it seems you are too heavily invested with the status quo. Here is the website of the insurance company: https://www.equityins.net/

Actually, no... here is the website for the "insurance company" -- https://equityassurance.us/

lol

Search the archives… this is accurate. 

Post: Title work on assignment contract

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In some states the buyer has the right to choose the title company/settlement agent. However when you are the assignee of a contract (per the fact pattern), you are not the buyer... you're simply the assignee. If the assignee doesn't close, the original buyer is still on the hook. 

Assignees who come in late and insist on closing with "my title company" sometimes get their way when the wholesaler is weak and inexperienced... but they should also expect to pay for all of the work undertaken, and all expenses incurred, by the first title company.

Post: Due On Sale Clause About to Become More Common?

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Reviving this old thread... Have we seen an uptick in DOSC six months later?

Pace said he had 4 in one month earlier in this thread and in this video from a few months ago he says he's had 10 now. Later in the video he says his students have had 12: https://www.google.com/search?q=pace+morby+due+on+sale+claus...

So that's a big increase considering he said he had seen zero previously among himself or his students. He also says that he's using an executory contract (or land contract in Texas) to get around them and has never lost a house. 

He does not mention any downside to reverting to an executory contract/ lease option/ land contract. 

My understanding is that although it can work, these types of legal agreements have big downsides compared to sub to. For example unlike sub to, in an executory or land contract the seller stays in title which means all the risks are there for them getting liens and having those attach to the property or other typical title problems, plus having to pay closing costs and having a new higher rate when you need to eventually exercise the option. That's not exactly a good alternative to sub to. 

Also, even if it's true that is has been working to avoid the DOSC so far, my understanding is that any "outright sale, deed, installment sale contract, land contract, contract for deed, leasehold interest with a term greater than three years, lease-option contract or any other method of conveyance of real property interests" can trigger the DOSC (quoting the bank definition of transfer or sale), meaning that banks could still call these loans due despite the executory contract/land contract if they so choose. 

Is anyone else seeing an uptick in DOSC being called besides Pace and his students?

@Account Closed @Tom Gimer @Chris Seveney @James Hamling @Jay Hinrichs


I can't speak to the #'s of DOSC for SubTo, which I see as ticking time-bombs and am NOT a fan of. But to my C4D's, the instrument I use to LEGALLY effect the exact same outcome as SubTo, I have had a grand total of 0 DOSC called, ever. 

I simply don't understand the point of SubTo when there is a many generations old existing legal instrument readily available for use.  


 Pardon my ignorance, what happens if the seller stops making their mortgage payments? Suggestions on learning more about contract for deed? TIA


One can walk away, or file legal actions. From there stands a host of options one could take. 

But if seller was in such financial straights to have any risk of doing such, I wouldn't recommend getting into a C4D, there is other mechanisms of potential. namely, assuming the mortgage. 


Or, there is the even easier MLO direction. Master Lease with Option. 


CFD MLO — neither prevent attachment when the seller has issues.

Post: Due On Sale Clause About to Become More Common?

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@Jay HinrichsIf a law is passed that has the effect of reforming existing contracts, there is a fairly detailed analysis/framework for determining whether it would be constitutional under the contracts clause. Recently this came up in the context of COVID rent moratoriums, obviously a major public issue.

I just don't see it happening in the context of subto. What would be the "significant and legitimate public purpose" for the government getting involved in what seems to be a tiny percentage of transactions in an already heavily-regulated industry? And if there is a significant public purpose (doubtful) what would the new law do, require an immediate foreclosure? No chance. Criminalize a financial decision? Nope. It's just not going to happen, IMO.

Post: Can I offer seller financing on my home if its on FHA loan?

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First @Account Closed there are approximately zero good reasons for a seller to be looking for ways to sell subto. It’s just not smart.

Second, with an FHA loan, any title company that handles the subto transaction is ignorant of the regulations/published guidance which forbid it. So you'd be doing business, on a dangerous transaction, with fools.

Post: Seller financing and realtors

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On a long-listed property not only can this work but the agent/broker may agree to contribute (or discount) some commission to make it work. A reduced commission late in the game is better than no commission from an expired listing.