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All Forum Posts by: Timothy Allen

Timothy Allen has started 13 posts and replied 59 times.

Post: Thoughts on these books?

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Matthew Keller:

Tax Strategies for the Savvy Real Estate Investor is definitely worth it! Quick and easy to digest, yet you still learn a lot. 100% Recommend.

I’m not much of a reader but read that book in a day as it was so good!
Read it the day before I met with my real estate focused CPA. 

Post: Conventional mortgage refi into Commercial mortgage

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Marty Johnston:

Hey @Timothy Allen, its a common pickle we find ourselves in, it's also frustrating when once appraiser/BPO comes in so drastically different than another (had one credit union come in $50k different on their BPOs, which seems drastic, I digress). On any 1-4 unit investment property, its very uncommon for a lender to consider an income-approach for as-is value vs a sales comparable. While DSCR loans obtain market rents through a 1007 Rent Schedule, it doesn't dictate the value of the property, but it does still provide income insight for the lender to determine LTV so that it cash flows at their minimum requirements (1.0, 1.1, 1.2+ etc, whatever that lender requires). If you dont have immediate built it equity, its tough.

Because of the above, turnkey properties are hard to BRRRR. Its likely you're buying at market, so if you can't 'force appreciation', you'll have a hard time getting you money out quickly, and will need to wait for appreciation, or eventually force appreciation with renovations. This is the big BRRRR in this strategy.

I'll be interested if others have different insight, but commercial would evaluate the same sales-approach in their appraisals most likely.


Thanks for the response! I'm going to rehab and get an appraisal to see. I'm going to be cash flowing more than enough to pay all expenses plus HELOC so I'm not overly worried. I appreciate the feedback

Post: Conventional mortgage refi into Commercial mortgage

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19

I have a question here for the BP community.

I'm currently closing on my first two investment properties both duplexes. One needs extensive rehab (Roof, heating systems, rebuilt porches, siding, bathroom remodels), the other is mostly turn key but the vacant unit will get an updated turn over.

Rents on both are way under market value and PM is very confident on getting much more rent out of them.

I am using portfolio loans on both with my original plan on doing somewhat of a Brrrr strategy on the one that needs the work. I'm using HELOC money from my primary for downpayments and for some of the rehab work.

My problem is that the comparable sales in my market that came up on my appraisal dont quite justify a decent cashout refi to pay back my HELOC.

Is there a way once both properties are stabilized, rehabbed with increased rents that I could cash out refi as a package deal into a commercial loan where they use the income to value the property more so then the comparable sales? If not is there another type of loan that would work with what I'm trying to accomplish? say DSCR for example?

Thanks
 

Post: Apply for HELOC now for future investing?

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19

I took a HELOC out now on my primary while my value was high. I'm using it as a downpayment on multifamilys now. I think its a great idea to lock in your HELOC now while property values are high.

Post: Using multiple Property Managers

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19

I think I should reached out here earlier. I am going to embrace my learning curve!!

Thanks for everyone's input. Much appreciated 

Post: Using multiple Property Managers

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Timothy Allen:

Hello BP, I'm a new investor here looking for your advice.

Ive just recently started the purchase process on not just one but two of my first investment properties! Two duplexes. 

The properties are 1 1/2 hours from me so property management is a must for me. I've done a lot of homework and have called and interviewed about half a dozen company's. Of  those, two of them really stuck out and made me feel confident. My idea and strategy is to use both of them one for each property. This will give me the chance to vet them and compare to see how they each work as I'm still learning the process myself. They are both agents as well and I see this as an opportunity to expand in the the future by opening my network. 


Here's where my hang up is. I have been completely open and honest with both of them that this is my strategy and plan to grow with both companys as long as everything goes well. Since communicating this one company had slowed their communications with me and I get the feeling that they didn't like that idea?  Im not under contract yet with either of them as I still have about a month until closing.


Do you think they take offence to this? Am I too new to use this strategy and maybe should just stick to one for now?

Thanks


 You can do that. But PMC in the same city usually works in a similar fashion.

However, it would be better if you pick ne based on the following:
- Check the process of how they make a repair,this is what makes one PM is better than the other one.
- Check who is having more expensive fee and pick that one.


 Similar fee structure. 

As far as repairs that was one thing I'd be able to experience while working with both. Thanks for the response  

Post: Using multiple Property Managers

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

It could be they take offense, it could be they don't want to be compared to another local management company and competing for your business, or it could be they are just really busy and don't have time to keep communicating with you when there's no guarantee of your business.

in the future, I recommend you not let the managers know that you will be spreading your properties around to competitors.


 Thanks for the response. I wanted full transparency and not to have to hide anything. You do bring up valid points however. 

Post: Using multiple Property Managers

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Tim Johnson:

Hi @Timothy Allen, I wouldn't worry or overthink it too much. Any good PM would welcome the business (and maybe the challenge!) and wouldn't feel threatened by the set-up you've described. I think your plan sounds totally cogent, beginner or not. 

And in regard to the PM  that has seemed to "withdraw" a bit after your talks....why not just ask them openly how they feel about the set-up you've described? Good communication (especially around expectations) never hurts. You may get some good data....and possibly find out that your intuitions were wrong. Who knows?


 Thank you and yes I will reach out. I could as you stated just be over thinking it. Thanks

Post: Using multiple Property Managers

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19

Hello BP, I'm a new investor here looking for your advice.

Ive just recently started the purchase process on not just one but two of my first investment properties! Two duplexes.

The properties are 1 1/2 hours from me so property management is a must for me. I've done a lot of homework and have called and interviewed about half a dozen company's. Of those, two of them really stuck out and made me feel confident. My idea and strategy is to use both of them one for each property. This will give me the chance to vet them and compare to see how they each work as I'm still learning the process myself. They are both agents as well and I see this as an opportunity to expand in the the future by opening my network.


Here's where my hang up is. I have been completely open and honest with both of them that this is my strategy and plan to grow with both companys as long as everything goes well. Since communicating this one company had slowed their communications with me and I get the feeling that they didn't like that idea? Im not under contract yet with either of them as I still have about a month until closing.


Do you think they take offence to this? Am I too new to use this strategy and maybe should just stick to one for now?

Thanks

Post: Using multiple Property Managers

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19

Hello BP, I'm a new investor here looking for your advice.

Ive just recently started the purchase process on not just one but two of my first investment properties! Two duplexes. 

The properties are 1 1/2 hours from me so property management is a must for me. I've done a lot of homework and have called and interviewed about half a dozen company's. Of  those, two of them really stuck out and made me feel confident. My idea and strategy is to use both of them one for each property. This will give me the chance to vet them and compare to see how they each work as I'm still learning the process myself. They are both agents as well and I see this as an opportunity to expand in the the future by opening my network. 


Here's where my hang up is. I have been completely open and honest with both of them that this is my strategy and plan to grow with both companys as long as everything goes well. Since communicating this one company had slowed their communications with me and I get the feeling that they didn't like that idea?  Im not under contract yet with either of them as I still have about a month until closing.


Do you think they take offence to this? Am I too new to use this strategy and maybe should just stick to one for now?

Thanks