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All Forum Posts by: Timothy Allen

Timothy Allen has started 13 posts and replied 59 times.

Post: Buy and Hold

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $201,000
Cash invested: $15,000

Large Two family duplex near hospital.

Post: Multifamily Investing Group Pittsfield MA

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Chris Webb:

That is great! I am from Western Mass (although not that far west, lol), good luck! 


 hey Chris where are you from? Im from Franklin county (Northfield)

Post: Going backwards. Primary to a house hack how to underwrite??

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Melanie Berchtold:

Yes. It is a condo without the association or fee. Although it is acceptable to form one, most do not. A real estate atty should be able to answer your questions. As far as your age, and retirement, my husband and I just got started with the 401k type investing at your age. We have watched it soar and plummet. We do not have time in our 60's to let it soar again. You may, but there are also penalties to consider if you touch it prior to retirement. Harvesting from the 401K should mean that you have exhausted every avenue and you are about to starve to death. Please, do not borrow from your future. You do not know what it holds.  If you were my son I would beg you to consider other options. Consider it part of your overall portfolio. 


 I would not withdraw It would only be a loan penalty free. Ive had my 401k since I was 19 years old and yes ive seen it soar and fall. I personally like real estate more than the stock market so for me to borrow from my 401k to purchase assets does not worry we as much. 

Post: Going backwards. Primary to a house hack how to underwrite??

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Melanie Berchtold:

I love your ambition but proceed with caution. If you have other rentals you are making me nervous about using a HELOC on your primary and possibly your retirement fund. If you have could you force equity and increase its value? Then, you can use your non-primary residence(s) to secure the loan. Also, In Massachusetts, the deed can often be divided on a duplex leaving you the ability to sell one side. Retirement comes on more quickly than we expect at times. You are at risk of overleveraging for your age. Sorry. Maybe selling something and trading up would be a better option.


Thanks @Melanie ! “At my age” your making me feel old at 40 years young…lol

Yes I used some of my HELOC from my primary already to acquire a couple investment properties.

The idea of wiping my mortgage out now to be able to amplify my savings was my goal.

It’s only going to work if everything works out. However in life things don’t ever go to plan and in that case yes I’d be spread a little thin.


I’ve never heard of selling one side of a duplex? There was one in town that they converted to separate Condos and sold them that way if that’s what you mean?


Post: Property managers in Keene, New Hampshire

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Jaylan Archer:

Hey Kris!

My office has a company out of it with one of the larger property management portfolios. Universal Property Management would be happy to meet with you to go over the market and how they work.

I am sure they also can provide a list of current and past property owners that have their units with them.

Hope that helps!

 @Jaylan Archer I dont see Keene on your list of towns served 

Post: Going backwards. Primary to a house hack how to underwrite??

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Ryan Thomson:

@Timothy Allen when I say networth ROI I mean make sure you add into your "return numbers" the following:

- loan paydown

- appreciation with a 2-4%/year assumption

- tax benefits of depreciating your home and getting part of the rental income tax free

I have a great spreadsheet that I can send you to help calculate all of these things. Reach out via messenger with your email if you want me to send it to you


 DM sent!

Post: Going backwards. Primary to a house hack how to underwrite??

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Drew Sygit:

Make sure you have enough in reserves for surprise repairs AND vacancies.

Where are you getting your down payment? Hopefully from savings. Then you could get a HELOC on your primary to use for emergencies

I have a HELOC out on my house I've used some of it for downpayment on other rentals I have. I have what's left in that for emergencies.

I was thinking of using a 401k loan for downpayment plus extras


Post: Going backwards. Primary to a house hack how to underwrite??

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Ryan Thomson:

@Timothy Allen breaking even on a cashflow is a huge success right now. Also I would strongly consider trying to get the house under contract BEFORE they spruce it up. Also you could look for single family homes where you could create a separate unit to rent out if there is not a lot of multifamily around you. Some more thoughts on cash flow and a "good" deal:

House hacking is tough to cashflow in year one (with current house price run-ups and interest rates) for a couple reasons:

1. You are living in one of the rentable units

2. You are only putting 5% down so your loan amount is much larger and therefore your mortgage payment.

I would consider your net worth ROI. What I mean by this is considering how much your down payment returns to your net worth (appreciation, loan paydown, tax benefits, AND rent avoidance). Don't forget to include rent avoidance in your numbers! You have to live somewhere.

You may need to lower your return or cashflow expectations so you can get into a house hack that will allow you to avoid throwing rent money away every month. You know this, but don't forget all the other ways real estate makes you money. Paying down your mortgage and owning an asset that will appreciate over the long term.

Thanks! im not sure what you mean by figuring my net worth ROI.? I dont know how to run the numbers as if I'm living there really? when I run it as a regular rental with both units rented out with 5% down I get a ROI of 16.5%.

The cashflow on my primary will be around $1400 were as I'll be paying in on the househack about $1300

Post: Going backwards. Primary to a house hack how to underwrite??

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Brett Merrill:

Hi @Timothy Allen, I really like your style and I completely agree - reverting back to house hacking whenever possible is never a bad decision as long as it works for the family. I'm glad to hear that you're considering this option for your next investment. I'd be more than happy to take a look at the numbers for you and run all the available comps. It sounds like you're close to making a great deal happen. Let me know how I can assist you!


 pm sent

Post: Going backwards. Primary to a house hack how to underwrite??

Timothy AllenPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsfield, MA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Jaron Walling:
Quote from @Timothy Allen:
Quote from @Jaron Walling:

@Timothy Allen That's great man. Yeah moving is a sacrifice but it doesn't have to be forever. Honestly I think you're underestimating your skills and ability to renovate yourself. You can find contractors willing to do work especially for cash. My fear given what you described is so far... everything is verbal, you "discussed a number" but once that renovation is complete the expectation changes. It happens all the time. Fixed up or not it's a numbers game. Personally I'd walk on this deal if it didn't cash-flow or at least break even on it's own. 

You mentioned it's rural. It sounds similar to my Dad's house. He bought it 25 years ago for $140k, and today's it worth $180K. If he remodeled he could push $190-200k max. That's seriously low appreciation. Not saying this deal is the same but from an REI prospective it's a cash-flow or die.

When you mention Cashflow you mean once we move back out of it and rent both units? At that point yes it would. With us living in it the other rent doesn’t cover the full mortgage 

 Yes, exactly. If and when you decide to move out the property I'd hope to cash-flow strong. Unless you're predicting good appreciation, job growth, town improvements, Amazon building a warehouse, etc... which is speculative at best. 

This town will never allow an Amazon warehouse!! lol. It is right next to elementary school, library, and a private college. As far as appreciation goes I bought my primary 7 years ago for $200k and just had a bank appraisal for a heloc and it came back at $340K. Houses in my town do not last long on the market at all. It will cashflow a couple hundred a month after expenses. I have a couple other rentals out of town that I have property management for that cashflow a whole lot more but are not in a great appreciating area. 

My goal is really to eliminate my mortgage payment for a few years to really focus on putting some money away.

Thanks for the response, @Brett Merrill