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All Forum Posts by: Charlie Cameron

Charlie Cameron has started 17 posts and replied 403 times.

Post: Converting duplex to assisted living facility how to

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Quote from @Joshua Land:

Look to learn, and hopefully implement converting my duplex into an assisted living center. Any advice or direction on how to go about this in Wisconsin would be greatly appreciated.

Before you do that, ensure the home will make a good RAL property. Here are some criteria to check that, from a 10 step guide we made:

Post: Are You Actively Investing in Real Estate?

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Quote from @Feroz Penangwala:

Hi everyone, I’m curious—how many of you are actively closing real estate deals right now? Are you finding the funding process smooth, or do you run into challenges?

I’ve been involved in lending for a while and know that financing can sometimes be a bottleneck. If you’re looking for creative ways to fund your deals or need help closing, I’d love to hear your thoughts or experiences.

Let’s discuss!

We are solely working on assisted living:
- Buying homes and leasing them at higher than market rates to these business operators
- Purchasing existing businesses with the real estate

- Developing / building new

For us, the business makes the real estate cash flow, we can create a massive impact, and the demand outpaces supply and will continue to be that way for the next couple decades. Makes sense to focus here for an asymmetrical upside. 

Post: looking for a lender who provide financing for an assisted living facility

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Quote from @Charlene Livers:

Hi everyone.

I broker money for investment properties and also own an assisted living facility, a business I’m deeply passionate about. I believe in the importance of creating and maintaining spaces where people can receive the care they deserve.

Right now, I’m looking for a lender who is willing to provide financing for assisted living facilities. My current lender cannot approve such, and I want to help other business owners in this field secure the funding they need to improve or expand their facilities.

If you know of any lenders specializing in this type of financing or have connections in the industry, I’d love to hear from you! Let’s work together to create opportunities for assisted living facility owners.

 Are you considering SBA? Happy to provide who we use. 

Post: Future Housing: An Analysis of Container Home Senior Housing

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Quote from @Tom Pappas:

As a former CPA and attorney who managed a distressed property investment fund, I've analyzed countless real estate opportunities. Today, I want to share why I've pivoted to developing container home senior communities and the investment analysis behind this decision.

Background: Running a distressed property fund taught me to identify undervalued opportunities and market inefficiencies. After exiting that business, I began exploring innovative solutions to the growing senior housing crisis. This led me to container home development.

Key Market Factors:

  1. Senior housing demand is outpacing supply
  2. Traditional construction costs are skyrocketing
  3. Fixed-income seniors need affordable options
  4. Sustainability is becoming a critical factor

The Container Home Advantage:

  • 20-40% lower construction costs
  • Significantly faster build time
  • Durable steel construction
  • Highly customizable
  • Lower maintenance costs
  • Sustainable/recyclable materials

I've already completed one container home conversion and several studio/guest houses. The insights gained from these projects have validated our initial assumptions about cost savings and construction efficiency.

Future Vision: We're now developing a complete senior community model that combines:

  • Affordable container homes
  • Community-focused design
  • Sustainable practices
  • Scalable business model

Investment Perspective: From my fund management experience, I see three key advantages:

  1. Lower capital requirements than traditional development
  2. Faster time to market
  3. Multiple revenue streams (sales, community fees, services)

I'm sharing this to start a discussion and get feedback from the BP community.

Questions for discussion:

  • What challenges do you see in this model?
  • Has anyone else explored container homes for senior living?
  • What factors would you consider before investing in this type of project?

Looking forward to your insights and questions.


 Tom - this is a really cool idea. Here's where I'd poke a hole though: providing care. Individualized container homes would be ill suited for assisted living style care. So a community of these homes could definitely provide an affordable downsized housing option for active seniors (independent living style) - especially when you provide amenities on site, which will be required if you want to compete with other independent living style communities and apartment buildings. But separate disconnected units wouldn't be economically efficient or even feasible for assisted living care once they need it. 

Independent living with assisted living nearby or on site for a transition could work well though! Just my thoughts. 

Post: Assisted Living Investing Q&A!

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@Ron Dancy in some ways yes, in other ways, no. Your pay is more likely to be salary than a percentage (except for the REALLY big stuff). Another difference is when a PM quits, typically the stakes are pretty low, you just hire another one. Here, there are lives at stake. And they are managing a lot of people, having to market, and other things a PM does very little of. Normally the manager works directly for you rather than another company. So some similarities, but many differences. Does that help?

Post: Assisted Living Investing Q&A!

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Quote from @Ron Dancy:

@Charlie Cameron Excellent post! My question would be becoming a qualified assisted living operator and the certifications / licensing per your state (For me Texas) to get your property up to code? Thanks


Hey Ron! You would want to look at the Texas Health and Human Services Commission website. I believe it is about a 40 hour training. But alternatively, you can hire a manager if the home is big enough to support their salary. The latter is what I'd recommend planning on! 

Post: Getting hyped to start a Residential Assisted Living business!

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Quote from @Ryan Mackereth:

Hey all, lovely to be here with all of you! 

Anyone out there looking to get into the business of Residential Assisted Living? Me too! Looking to network with you all.

My name is Ryan, and I have been an avid BP fan, content consumer, and advocate for numerous years. I live in Los Angeles CA and I am a Registered Nurse / real estate owner / property manager / home renovator handyman / entrepreneur, and I am here to network with you all, because I desire to be in the business of owning and operating RAL homes, and realize the value of doing things together, and sharing resources to reach our goals.

Shout out to @Alexander Schloe. I randomly stumbled upon his interview on a random podcast, and learned that he is a part of a team with, Luke, and Charlie, where their partnership has allowed them to be a part of owning and operating several RAL homes / businesses. So I joined their Facebook community and devoured their content this last week. Definitely a must check out. It is EXACTLY what I am needing right now, so THANK YOU! They started a podcast recently, which I am stoked about! I was in their free webinar on Wednesday, where they talked about how to bring in other investors or partners to get started. Such good info!

I have been educating myself for the past 3-4 years on how to get started. I took Gene Guarino’s online course back in 2020. I learned so much from him, and being a RN with a love for real estate and renovation, it confirmed in my heart that this is the business I want to do. Something that I can be proud to run. Something that I actually believe in. Something that my loved ones can benefit from one day. Now that I am 40yrs old, and a loving family man with 2 little boys, I realize the importance of building something instead of just having a W2, so I am eager and ready to work hard to find the first home, build a team, and get this thing going. Currently, I have the knowledge and hustle piece. Next I will be looking for people wanting to sell, and analyzing deals. Let’s do it!

- Ryan Mackereth, RN

Hey @Ryan Mackereth! Thank you for the shoutout and the vote of confidence! We are definitely still very much students but are learning at an incredible pace and every day we get more interested and excited by the space. I feel like I've finally found my niche after years of bouncing around real estate and business. 
I can't think of a better way to make an impact and build a great cash flowing business at the same time. And the data is clear: being involved in assisted living is a clear way to win an asymmetric bed over the next couple decades! 
Let us know how we can help! You'd be a great fit for our community. Cheers!

Post: Any suggestions on how to fund a senior living entitled land deal in Santa Cruz, Cali

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Quote from @Rob Williams:

Hi everyone,

I’m looking for advice on effective ways to connect with private investors locally interested in senior living land development. I have a senior living project with entitled land ready for development, and I’m exploring options to attract investors who would see the value in this growing sector.

If anyone has experience or can recommend a specific approach or network in our area that would be worth exploring, I’d appreciate the insights!

Thanks in advance!

Hey Rob. My partners and I run a residential assisted living focused fund. Maybe we can help, or at least share what investors want to see on a project like that! The key is going to be showing the long term gains, since they won't see any returns for 1-2 years. 

Post: Assisted Living Investing Q&A!

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Quote from @Nichole Kinard:

I have so many questions! I am stuck in market analysis. We want to own the business and the real estate. To pick a location, I understand I want to evaluate median income, a large population of those approaching retirement age, and a decently dense population. What I don’t understand is how to overlay all of that information to pick a good spot and I also don’t understand the appropriate thresholds for each of those indices (income, percentage in the target age group, and how dense). What resources do you use to do market analysis and what are the nuts and bolts of using those resources to actually narrow down a location?

Seems like everyone chooses Arizona 😂 but I am 100% sure assisted living is needed in Georgia too. 

Hey @Nichole Kinard! You are absolutely right, this residential care model is needed EVERYwhere and the demand will only double over the next decade, but supply will continue to fall behind. Families want their loved ones close. Georgia is a great state from a regulatory standpoint. 
The best advice I can give you when it comes to operating the business is that you need to be local for your first one or few. Until you understand the operations and how to manage a manager, this is going to be key to success as you'll need to be involved initially. And if you want SBA financing, they're going to require this anyway. If you were simply leasing the home TO an assisted living business, it would be a different story. 
Most banks won't finance you unless you (or a partner) will live near the home and can have a pulse on the operations. Does that help? 

Post: Approached by a PM to turn my SFH into a Sober Living Rental: Any experiences?

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Quote from @Karen Margrave:

There are different types of sober living, transitional living homes. Some are basically renting out bed space and require tenants to sign an agreement to stay clean, and be tested upon request, with failing the test potentially leading to immediate eviction. There's not a lot of money in this model, it's more of a ministry. 

Then there's sober living companies that get some government funding and require counseling, meetings, etc. However; the costs are high to retain all the personnel needed, etc. If the companies are large enough, and can tie down enough real estate at low prices to make them work, it can be profitable. 

Either model takes a lot of commitment to run successfully. There's always drama with drug addicts and alcoholics, in addition to the stress of group living. In some areas of southern CA there are several sober living homes in high end areas. If they can make enough just to cover mortgages, with the high appreciation of the properties, it's a great investment. That's an extremely rare opportunity though. 


 Hello Karen, 

For just renting out beds to people, is it possible to becoming financially free via sober living homes just through renting out space for people to stay clean?


The short answer is: yes. The long answer is: it's complicated and it depends. I would focus more on assisted living. The need is much much much greater and demand will continue to outpace supply. It's a demographics driven fact!


 Gotcha, 

Why assisted living instead of sober living homes? 

Demographics, my friend! There's well over a 1 Million bed shortage right now, and due to the aging 77 Million boomers, the demand for assisted living will continue to outpace supply by over 3.5X. Most of the country has no idea what is about to happen over the next two decades. Many millennials will have no choice even if they wanted to put mom or dad into assisted living - there won't be enough and they'll have to live at home. Boomers are also the wealthiest generation of all time, making assisted living the most affordable of all time. 


As far as owning a real estate related business, residential assisted living is hands down the highest and best use of a residential home, especially since you can achieve financial independence from one home. 

And lastly--even though I could go on for hours--the residential assisted living model is the most impactful opportunity in real estate to get paid to do good in the world. These homes when done right are absolutely incredible and offer a level of caretaking most seniors will unfortunately never get to experience, yet deserve to. 



 Which niche is better for financial freedom? Assisted living or sober living homes? Also, can assisted living be in homes instead of a commercial center? My goal is to be financially free, travel the world, have no debt or college loans. I was thinking about normal residential investing. Thoughts? 


 Dominic, it really depends. Assisted living homes and group homes are NOT passive if you are also operating the business. They CAN be if you are simply leasing to those businesses. If the home has to meet special requirements (a common one is residential sprinklers), then you can potentially charge much higher rent and have higher cash flow on a long term lease to these operators. The challenge here is making the home ready for their business type AND finding the RIGHT operator. 

If you operate the businesses as well, it is not passive at all. But the right home or group of homes can enable you to hire managers and staff to run things FOR you. But you'd have to be quite involved initially, especially to get access to better SBA lending. 

The cool thing though is you can achieve 10-30K in cash flow per home. Again, done the right way. People are doing that and working 4 hours a week because they have management in place. This is much much much faster and requires far less equity than if you compared that to say traditional single family rentals. 

I would challenge you though. Everyone THINKS they want financial freedom. Once they hit their "number" they usually find they aren't happy without building something and generally wind up back in the entrepreneur journey! 
Hope that helps!