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All Forum Posts by: Kirk R.

Kirk R. has started 69 posts and replied 927 times.

Post: Order of improvements

Kirk R.Posted
  • Peoria, IL
  • Posts 967
  • Votes 383

I did an extensive rehab on my current property. It was tougher than building a new house I think. I wouldn't do it again if I know what I know now. I wish I would have started with something turn key. I over paid for the house and under estimated the work involved.

Not exactly answering your question but some ideas:
http://www.wikihow.com/Rehab-a-Property-in-the-Proper-Order

Post: Little help Next Step suggestions

Kirk R.Posted
  • Peoria, IL
  • Posts 967
  • Votes 383

Clarifying rent to value:

$100,000 property needs to gross $1,000 per month to be at 1%?

Any feedback on the following example:?

$100,000 property price without leverage aka using 100% cash
$12,000 total rent $1,000/mo (property never vacant)
$1,200 property management 10% of rent (not using half month rent to find tenant)
$2,400 taxes
$2,000 (1 to 3% in maintenance and repairs using 2%)
$600 per year in insurance
$3,000 appreciation (average 3.1% from 1900-2012)
$9,000 or 9% Total income and appreciation over a year

9.4% for the stock market (average 1900 to 2012)

Without using leverage it seems like it would be a lot less work to just buy stocks with a higher return?

Using 80% leverage in the above example - 9% minus (5% loan interest rate)= 4% * 4 + 9% = 14.6% for a house - not sure my math is exactly right on this one.

5.2% difference between real estate and stocks - But seems like Real Estate is typically much more work

***doesn't factor in "good deals" tax consequences etc. etc. because you can probably find both in stocks and RE

In my area for about $40,000 I can pick up a property that will bring probably around $700/month.

20% down - $8,000
$2,000 in closing is $10,000.
$2,000 in fix it up.
3 to 6 months cash reserve = $4000

Need about $16,000 to do a $40,000 deal?

Still looking for my next step? Is it to $16,000? Or should I start looking at the "No Money Down Real Estate?" I saw one person only made like $1,800 over a year period a wholesale deal & lost money when you figure in expenses.

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Sources:
http://observationsandnotes.blogspot.com/2009/03/average-annual-stock-market-return.html
The long-term, more than 100-year performance: Since 1900 (end-of-year 1899), through 2012, I estimate the average total return/year of the DJIA (Dow Jones Industrial Average) was approximately 9.4% -- 4.8% in price appreciation, plus approx 4.6% in dividends. (Some numbers may not add up due to rounding.)

http://observationsandnotes.blogspot.com/2011/06/us-housing-prices-since-1900.html
“You might be more interested to know that the average annual home price increase for the U.S. during the whole 1900 - 2012 period was only 3.1%/year -- just a shade better than the inflation rate of 3.0%/year.”

http://www.jacksonvillewealthbuilders.com/how-much-rental-income-to-holdback-for-maintenance-and-repairs/

http://stocks.about.com/od/advancedtrading/a/Martrade010305.htm
You don’t have to borrow up to 50%, but that is as high as you can go. Some stocks may have lower limits and some brokers might not let you margin up to 50%.
https://www.tdameritrade.com/pricing/margin-and-interest-rates.page
TD Ameritrade margin account interest rate is 9%

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Post: Little help Next Step suggestions

Kirk R.Posted
  • Peoria, IL
  • Posts 967
  • Votes 383

Hi marco,

Thanks for the reply.
1.Loans are cheap - my house paid off I am closer to independently wealthy reducing risk. Investing my cash might get me closer to a better life style.

2. Real Estate is probably a good investment since it has been beat up so badly.

3.Wasn't putting my cash in my mattress ;) having it around for Bargains.

4. income producing real estate - all the Real Estate gurus are so vocal - according to Forbes - Real Estate is 3 and Investments is 1.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarlyle/2012/03/13/how-americas-wealthiest-get-rich/2/

Global Top 10 Industries Producing Forbes Billionaires
1. Investments: 143
2. Fashion & Retail: 123
3. Real Estate: 102

5. Small business takes time - but everything does.

Not sure I want to be on the hook for another Real Estate Loan. Yes leverage is good unless it's bad.

Read your profile saw you did some Foreclosure Teaching for Robert Allen. What Real Estate specialty do you think would have the most return for the amount of time invested? Ie where do you think i might want to start looking?

[]90% of those that begin in RE as a full time job fail within 3 years, all had the dream, had the right attitude, had sufficient intelligence and had confidence when they started.

Not sure about the 90% but average salary of someone HS educated is

Does a degree pay?
$18,900 Non high school graduate
$25,900 High School graduate
$33,000 Associates Degree
$45,500 Bachelors Degree

Taken from:
http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/p23-210.pdf

Use the military for all the education you can get maybe? Save up some dollars. Do some real estate on the side.

I came out of the Air Force. Was a Realtor for a bit. Why not try REal Estate Investing while you are in? Size into it vs. burning the bridge behind you?

Post: Little help Next Step suggestions

Kirk R.Posted
  • Peoria, IL
  • Posts 967
  • Votes 383

Yes I think you are right. Find an asset allocation and go with it - doesn't have to be all one or the other.

http://www.magicformulainvesting.com/

His magic formula is actually free. Did pay like $10 for his book through Audible a while back. Interesting listen/read.

Post: Little help Next Step suggestions

Kirk R.Posted
  • Peoria, IL
  • Posts 967
  • Votes 383

Just searched found and joined BP site. Very much enjoying the site.

41 year old guy - Currently - 1 year emergency fund funded. Live very frugal life style. Have a credit score of around 700. zero debt except for my house mortgage.

Have mortgage on 4 br/2.5 bath house - Have 3 roommates that pay me rent. I basically live with no housing expenses. House is worth about $80k. Owe $55k. 5.5% mortgage rate - $550 payment. Taxes are $150/mo.

I was a starving Realtor for a couple years. Have read quite few of the books mentioned on the site real estate/sales/etc. etc.

As a Realtor - I had access to MLS - didn't feel like I saw any "deals" that got me too excited - 20% down with $2,000 closing costs. Met about 2 maybe 3 successful investors. Most of the people I came across wished they had invested in the stock market vs. Real Estate. One of the investors is an 80 year old buddy that is still messing with his properties a state away in Iowa instead of having time to play some tennis. I asked him today if he thought it might have just been smarter to invest in the stock market? He didn't really answer so assuming he was strongly considering the stock market. Tried using him as a mentor but didn't really see that result in too much - but might give him another try.

I learned some from my Real Estate experience and somewhat enjoyed it.

Options considering:
1. Pay off my current residence as quickly as possible - somewhat leaning toward this cause it eliminates quite a bit of my risk - Probably take me 2 to 3 years to do.
2. Invest my money in stock market using "Magic Formula Investing" system by Joel Greenblatt I think. - he touts like 30% return over time.
3. Just save my CASH.
4. Invest in Real Estate (doensn't much narrow it down). Tax Liens maybe. Don't know.
5. Work on other stuff - self publish - patent - Start a business.

Any thoughts input appreciated.

Post: Next Step

Kirk R.Posted
  • Peoria, IL
  • Posts 967
  • Votes 383

Hi Stanley - I've been working to build my credit.

Some Excellent FREE Credit Sites are:
www.creditkarma.com
www.creditsesame.com
www.credit.com

A couple things I've done besides joining the above 3 sites:

Get secured credit cards - go to credit unions they are free. Big banks charge a bunch of expensive fees. Although before they approve you for a "secured" credit card they do a pull against your credit. Doesn't make sense they do credit inquiry since you have to have the CASH behind the "secured" credit card. Take out personal loans through the credit unions - They keep the money. I did one for 12 months for $1000. The credit union keeps the loan. Paid like $17 in interest on the $1000.

PREPAID is not the same as SECURED - talk to a credit union they are very helpful.

First Post on here. Hope it helps. Really enjoying the site so far. Looking for my next step.