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All Forum Posts by: Tamiel Kenney

Tamiel Kenney has started 27 posts and replied 144 times.

Post: Deal Analysis help! 100-unit

Tamiel KenneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 194

There are a lot of things to look at when you evaluate a multifamily deal. You really need to get a T12 & Rent Roll.

I guess the first thing that jumps out to me is….$25k/door for a B+ area seems really low. I am not sure where you are buying, but if it is in fact a good area and has fundamentals such as job growth, population growth, etc. then I would recommend you move on this one quickly.Remember…pics on line cannot necessarily be relied upon…in person is what tells you the real story.

Do you know what the cap rates are for the area for B+ assets? You can get a rough idea by asking a local broker and then confirming based on recent sales that have happened in the past. You take the NOI for those sold deals and divide by the sales price to get the cap rate. However, remember interest rates have recently increased and theoretically, pricing might come down in 2017 if cap rates move up....but I don't have a crystal ball to say for sure.

Using very rough rules of thumb, you would be purchasing the property at a double digit cap rate…which is very good. So, it does make me wonder if there is more to the property than what you are seeing on Loopnet. Such as…down units that cannot be rented.

I would say…make sure you get very good at deal analysis or get someone that can help you, if you need it because it is critical.

For financing…you need to have a good lender you can trust to work with you on deals. I have never seen 100% financing on a multifamily deal, but others can chime in if they have seen this. (I noticed in your analysis, you put the loan amount at 100%). It is more likely this will be max of 80% financing.

You might want to take a step back and consider taking a class on Multifamily Investing before you invest.  I would hate to see you taken advantage of and lose your money on a deal because of training or education that you may be missing.

I hope that this helps!

Mark Kenney

Post: What to do with $250k?

Tamiel KenneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 194

Hi Scott!  Are you looking for strictly a passive investment or an active investment opportunity. I am a Multifamily (Apartment) Investor and Syndicator. We started off buying 1-4 units at a time 22 yrs ago. Now we only buy large complexes thru syndication, with 1700 units by the end of this month! We are passive investors as well as active syndicators. Because this is the investment type I prefer, this is what I will talk about. If you just want passive income...then joining a Multifamily syndication is great. You would be able to find syndicators on bigger pockets for sure or local REAI clubs, that you can talk to and get to know and see who has deals for you to consider. You can ask for references and you should have a list of questions to vet out a potential bad Syndicator - yes they are out there!!

Being an active investor is more of the syndication side...where we actively find the deals thru relations with Brokers, run the numbers in detail on the potential properties, tour the properties and if we move forward on it...then start raising money from other investors to buy the property thru syndication.

We hold training events and webinars to teach people each of these 2 aspects of Apartment Investing but focus on the passive investor education.

I strongly suggest you learn about the type of investment you are considering in. Learn to evaluate the deals (to some level) to make sure the deal being presented to you is actually going to perform like promised. We see lots of numbers being changed to "make a deal work" because the hot markets are getting tighter, and people are overpaying for the properties!

Do you have an expectation of the kind of return you are hoping to get each year?

Do you know what your risk tolerance is for investing?

All these things you should consider learning or researching before you invest.

Please consider putting the money in 2 different deals.  With friends who have a lot more money to invest...I tell them that $250k is fine to invest in 1 deal.  BUT...if that is all you have -- Spread it out! $50-100K is the minimum investment in Apartment deals.

Whatever you choose, please educate yourself about the investment first.

Happy Investing!!!

Post: Newbie - Analysis to Paralysis

Tamiel KenneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 194

Hi Marty! I would suggest no matter what option you go with, you need to look for locations that have good fundamentals. (e.g., locations that have high population growth, high job growth, low cost of living  I feel it is also very important to invest in locations that are landlord friendly (meaning it is easy to evict). I have invested in both landlord friendly and tenant friendly and I would never invest again in a tenant friendly state because tenants can live for free for extended periods of time.

There are many differences between the 3 options you mentioned. Not just from a time perspective, but also from a risk perspective. Even if you decide to invest in just one type of asset, I would highly recommend you split your funds up into more than one investment because no matter how good a deal looks, things can happen.

Buy & Hold

I am thinking you are mostly referring to purchasing smaller properties on your own. But, buy & hold can apply to you purchasing smaller properties on your own, or you being part of a larger purchase through group purchasing/syndication or crowdfunding such as Realtyshares.

There is not necessarily anything wrong with buy & hold. The advantage to buying & holding smaller properties is you have control over the asset. For example, you decide when you refi, sell, etc. When you go through Realty shares or other crowdfunding platforms or through a syndication, you typically have very little control because someone else is responsible for managing the asset. This con is actually also a pro because you can truly become passive.

Buying & holding has a con that your money might be tied up and you might not be able to get it out and invest in other deals. It really depends on how your purchase is structured.

The disadvantage to selling an asset is if you want to reinvest, it can be tough at times to find another investment. So, you have money sitting around ready to invest, but can’t find a good investment. You might have been better off just leaving the money in the asset you already own. There is no one right answer to this question as it depends on many variables such as: Can I refi? Can I get a supplemental loan? Are the market conditions good to consider selling?

I have purchased all types of property sizes ranging from 1 unit up to 346 units and currently own 1,300 units (and close on 454 more this month). In my experience, smaller properties that I was responsible for require much more time than the larger properties I own. If I was a teacher and had summers off, I would much rather not have to work the summers on my own rental properties.

Buying single family homes does not provide the economics of scale for management, material purchases, labor, and does not provide a good way to spread the risk. For example, let’s assume you have 3 rentals and 1 goes vacant or even worse, 2 go vacant. This can significantly hurt your cash flow. Whereas larger properties do provide the economics of scale and helps spread the risk across a larger property. We hire a 3rd party professional management company to run the day-to-day operations, which frees us up to find more deals, and we have a lot less head aches than we did with smaller properties.

Another disadvantage is single family homes are valued based on comps. You have very little control to increase the value of the property. With larger multifamily properties, you are really buying a business and as such they are valued based on Net Operating Income (NOI) and you can significantly increase the value. For example…for every dollar you increase rent or save in expenses, that $1 actually increases the value of the property by $12-$16 (due to the cap rate). This is a concept investors should start realizing because… the increase in NOI is what will help significantly increase the value of the property.

One last point…with single family, it is common that you will have a recourse loan, which means you have personal liability. With multifamily apartments, if you sign on a loan, it is very common that you have non-recourse loans, which means you do not have personal liability (note: you can actually have personal liability though if you do something illegal such as fraud). If you invest in a crowdfunding deal or a syndication, you as the investor have no liability as you are not the one that signs on the loan.

Vacation Rentals

Is likely not the best option for many of the reasons already stated. Also, the fact that vacation rentals are something that people would not rent nearly as much as the economy softens which will happen over time.

Realtyshares

There are many crowdfunding platforms out there. Before you go with one vs. another, you should do your homework and understand what type of fees are involved. I would say one main thing you want to consider is…if you are an investor on a crowdfunding platform, do you have access to the lead deal sponsor? Can you pick up the phone and call them? How easy is it for you to develop a relationship with the lead deal sponsor when you go through a crowdfunding platform. It is also not uncommon for the crowdfunding platforms to take fees. They are not going to do what they do for free….so, they are either going to get the fee from the lead sponsor or from the individual investors. In either case, it typically means there is less money available to the investors.

I personally syndicate multifamily apartments and I also invest as a passive investor with syndicators without going through a crowdfunding platform. I am not suggesting crowdfunding is bad, I am simply stating what I have done. The reason I like investing with a syndicator is that I have direct access to them. If I have a question/concern, I can simply pick up the phone and call them. You have to be careful who you invest with, so make sure you do your homework. I have a number of questions that you should ask a syndicator before you even consider investing with them. If you are interested in the questions, you can email us.

You also mentioned you have approx. $200k to invest. I am not aware of your personal finances, but we find most people actually have more money to invest than they think. There are many ways to get more money to invest, but a couple simple ways to get more money is… borrow against your 401k or 403b. You can borrow up to 50%, up to $50k. So, you borrow at a very low interest rate and make a much higher interest rate by investing in real estate. Check to see if your employer provides “in-service 401k” which provides even more advantages. You could get a line of credit on your own or through a home equity. Again, borrow at a low interest rate and hopefully make much more in real estate. Also, you might have cash value in your life insurance that you can borrow against. Having knowledge and using it is what will help you achieve financial freedom. It does not happen over night like, many people teach. It does take time. But, if you know what you are doing and take action, you can change your life from a financial perspective.

As a side note…I would somewhat disagree with the comment stating there is nothing passive about passive income. I run many deals and I also invest in many multifamily apartments as a passive investor. For me, my passive investments require virtually no time. Yes, I do analyze a deal before I invest, but after I invest, the only thing I really need to do is review monthly reports.  

Good luck with your decision.  Let us know if we can answer any questions.  Happy Investing!

Mark Kenney

Post: What would you do If you were investing $80,000

Tamiel KenneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 194

Hi Chris!  I did not see above if you were looking for strictly a passive investment or an active investment opportunity. I am a Multifamily (Apartment) Investor and Syndicator.  We started off buying 1-4 units at a time 22 yrs ago.  Now we only buy large complexes thru syndication, with 1700 units by the end of this month!   We are passive investors as well as active syndicators.  Because this is the investment type I prefer, this is what I will talk about.  If you just want passive income...then joining a Multifamily syndication is great.  You would be able to find syndicators on bigger pockets for sure or local REAI clubs, that you can talk to and get to know and see who has deals for you to consider.  You can ask for references and you should have a list of questions to vet out a potential bad Syndicator - yes they are out there!!  

Being an active investor is more of the syndication side...where we actively find the deals thru relations with Brokers, run the numbers in detail on the potential properties, tour the properties and if we move forward on it...then start raising money from other investors to buy the property thru syndication.

We hold training events and webinars to teach people each of these 2 aspects of Apartment Investing but focus on the passive investor education.

I strongly suggest you learn about the type of investment you are considering in.  Learn to evaluate the deals (to some level) to make sure the deal being presented to you is actually going to perform like promised.  We see lots of numbers being changed to "make a deal work" because the hot markets are getting tighter, and people are overpaying for the properties!

Do you have an expectation of the kind of return you are hoping to get each year?

Do you know what your risk tolerance is for investing?

All these things you should consider learning or researching before you invest.

And...if you only have $80-100k to invest, Please consider putting the money in 2 different deals.

I hope this helps.  We have friends who are doing a development in Belize if being an International Investor appeals to you.  We also have an investor who is doing Storage Units.  I could refer you to those people if that is of interest.  Again...whatever you chose, please educate yourself about the investment first.

Happy Investing!!!

Post: 2-Day Apartment Investor Workshop

Tamiel KenneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 194

If you have a desire to invest in apartments, then you owe it to yourself to become educated and surround yourself with like-minded people. 

Think Multifamily is hosting a 2-day Apartment Investing Workshop in Dallas on January 21-22, 2017. This will be an interactive, hands-on workshop as you learn from industry experts. You will have an opportunity to learn by doing as you walk through the steps (including deal analysis) related to investing in apartment buildings using real examples.

Don't just invest in any deal. Learn what to look for in a good investment opportunity...and what things to avoid.

You must register for this event at http://thinkmultifamily.com/register/

Prices are going up soon. Sign up today!!!  If you have any questions about this event, please email us at [email protected].

Start 2017 strong, with focus and clarity.  Let's achieve our goals together!

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Awesome set up on sessions (speaking & panel, etc.)

----- Sam

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---- Brain L

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Post: BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS (Multi-Family Syndication)???

Tamiel KenneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 194

Hi Edward!  We will be having a 2 day training in January in the Dallas area for Apartment Investors.  You can check it out on our website...(Think Multifamily).  Let me know if you have any questions I can answer!!!  Happy New Year!!!

Post: Looking into out of town Real Estate Investing

Tamiel KenneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 194

Hello Marcus! I am from the Midwest originally (Michigan). We have lived in Dallas since 1999 and we love it. We strongly believe in "Live where you want, invest where it makes sense." We have 1300+ units, mostly in Dallas and more to come in Atlanta, GA. We purchase mostly large properties, however we also have two 8-unit complexes in East Dallas...one is still in rehab and the other fully leased. How do you plan to manage a small property from out of state? It really needs to be making good cash flow to afford the property management fees on such a small place. My suggestion is to jump into large Multifamily (Apartments) as a passive investor or team up (JV) with others if you want to be more active.

Hope this helps!!!

Tami Kenney

Think Multifamily 

Post: How to invest 500k?

Tamiel KenneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 194

Hi Gen!  I live in Dallas and do Apartment Investing thru syndication.  We buy B and C Class properties for a solid double digit cash on cash return and double investors money in 5 years or less.  We currently have 1300 units...mostly in Dallas, but expanding into Atlanta and maybe Houston and Tennessee as well.  As a syndicator...it is a lot of work as we are in a competitive market.  If you have a job that you like and do well with...my advice is to continue working and just invest passively to make your money work for you.  You absolutely need to understand the type of investment you choose and research the syndicator of any deal.  Ask if their name is on the loan for the project (if they cannot put their name on the loan...their is an issue!)  Ask If they have their own money in the deal, and if yes, how much.  You really want ur syndicator to "have skin in the game." (So they have something to lose if the asset does not perform as promised).

I know people doing mobile home parks and they do really well.  I also know someone doing storage unit facilities.  We almost built a facility a few years back...but we shied away from it due to our lack of knowledge to take down such a big project.

My knowledge is really on larger Apartments...so if u have any questions regarding the process...just let me know.  

Bigger Pockets has a lot of good information in the forums, articles and podcasts.  Learn what you can before you move forward in any investment.

Good luck!

Post: New investor member from Allen, Texas

Tamiel KenneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 194

@D.Y. Lee I live in Allen as well.  We have 1300+ units (Multifamily), mostly in DFW. Let me know if you would like to meet up some time. My husband, Mark, and we do this full time.  

Post: Canadian investors

Tamiel KenneyPosted
  • Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 168
  • Votes 194

Hello David,  

It all really depends on what your investment criteria is.  You can buy for cash flow; or you can buy for appreciation (either forced through rehab and mgt or market appreciation); or you can buy a property that is a hybrid between these two.  Personally, we prefer to buy in locations that will return cash flow, but also has appreciation. (Our investing criteria is at least 10-12% Cash on Cash returns annually).  We currently have 1300+ units investing with this criteria.   The only way I can see buying in Calgary or similar markets, is if you feel appreciation is going to be very high.  

"The Real Estate Guys" basically say...live where you want to live and invest where the deals make sense.