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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 9 posts and replied 122 times.

Post: Duplex Analysis - Cincinnati, OH: 2 property options

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Originally posted by @Tyler Weaver:

I am excited to see your interest in Pleasant Ridge. It is the neighborhood where I live.  I think you need more cashflow for things to make sense to me. What made you choose to look for duplexes rather than quads?  Usually duplexes have more of a house feel to them and quads are apartments.  Which can be good and bad. Probably bad from a livability perspective for when you are here for 12+ months.  But then good in that you should be able to find something that cashflows much better for you after you move out and continue to hold the asset. 

Depending on where option 1 is in Pleasant Ridge you should be able to rent for more than 550 a month. Might require a few updates from current condition though. 550 a month is more reflective of where the market was 3 years ago than presently.  

That's awesome! I'm happy to meet someone who actually lives where I'm thinking of living/investing. Well we've been working with Navy Federal and there was push back about larger than a duplex for a primary residence; however, my husband loves them so we just decided to look for a duplex instead. Also thank you very much for the heads up on rent likely being an underestimate! I do think I'll keep looking for something that cash flows better.

Post: Duplex Analysis - Cincinnati, OH: 2 property options

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Originally posted by @Matthew Schroeder:

Make sure to have an agent pull comps on the property.  Putting aside the cash flow projections (which are indeed important) for a moment, the comps will tell you whether you are getting a reasonable deal, making money (equity) at Day 1 (i.e. buying below market value), or, paying too much.  

Many times, novice investors will be so focused on the cash flow projections that they forget to remember that Rule #1 is "make money when you buy".

Good luck!

Thank you! That's important too and indeed something I wasn't as focused on. I am working with an agent who is also a BP member but I'll be sure to put as much emphasis on buying right as I've been putting on cash flow! 

Post: Duplex Analysis - Cincinnati, OH: 2 property options

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Originally posted by @John Leavelle:

@Account Closed

Thank your husband for his service.

A couple of other things to think about.  Will the properties have any Rehab needs?  You also need to account for minor repairs/maintenance that will occur.  I would recommend a minimum of 5% (depending on age and condition of the property).

Since you plan on using a VA loan (no down payment) your mortgage payments will be higher. Therefore, it is important you find great deals to make your cash flow goals.

Good Luck.  :)

 I definitely will!

I had been looking at properties which generally did not need any rehab, although that's a great point and I will certainly keep that extra percentage in mind! I think you're totally right though - I really need to find/create a great deal since we would like to use a no money down option. Thanks!

Post: Duplex Analysis - Cincinnati, OH: 2 property options

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Originally posted by @Kevin Farrell:

I would look for a deal where you can get $100 cash flow per month after all expenses. If you can do that with the conservative approach that Kevin Siedlecki mentioned, you will be fine. Run the numbers for better cash flow and make that your offer.

Good Luck.

 Thanks! I'll definitely keep that in mind and keep searching for a better deal with adequate cash flow.

Post: Duplex Analysis - Cincinnati, OH: 2 property options

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Originally posted by @Kevin Siedlecki:

@Account Closed. 

I don't love either deal; I'd keep looking. You're working with a very tight margin on both deals. If you change your assumptions to be more conservative, say 10% vacancy, 10% management, and 15% capex, you're close to losing money. Those numbers are guesses right now, and other than management, there's really no way of knowing exactly what they will work out to in the long run. It might work out as you've put forward here, giving you a COC ROI of about 7% on deal 1 or less than 4% on deal two. If these were big deals where those small percentages were thousands of dollars, that might be acceptable, but for small multis with such limited cash flow, you're taking a big risk. A couple things go wrong, and you lose all your profit for a year or more.

That makes a lot of sense. Thank you! Going forward I'll stay on the more conservative side with my percentages regarding CapEx, Mgmt, etc and keep looking for better deals.

Post: Duplex Analysis - Cincinnati, OH: 2 property options

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Hi BP! 

I'm a newbie looking to make my first purchase: a duplex. I'm planning to use Navy Federal Credit Union for financing with a 0% down VA Loan (my husband is Active Duty Navy) and house hack while working F/T. The analysis however does not include house hacking as I'm focused on what this will look like 12+ months from now when we move out. This is my first time posting an analysis, so please be gentle...all constructive critiques welcome of course!

Both duplex options are located in the "up and coming" Pleasant Ridge neighborhood in Cincinnati, OH.  Thoughts on my numbers/missing anything? Suggestions? Would you do either deal or should I keep looking??

I'm definitely still reading, listening, learning as much as I can everyday so if I totally goofed up something, please advise! Thanks!!

Option 1, 1/1 & 1/1

Mortgage Loan 84,000

Loan Interest 4.5%

Term 30 yrs

Potential Rental Income 12,600 (550 + 500)

Assumed Vacancy, 8% 1,008

Gross Operating Income 11,592

Property Taxes, Est. 2.5% 2,100

Insurance 450

Mgmt Fee, 8% 1,008

CapEx, 10% 1,260

Total Expenses 4,818

NOI 6,774

Annual Debt Service 5,229

CF Before Taxes 1,667

Monthly Income per unit, pre tax 69.44

Option 2, 2/1 & 1/1

Mortgage Loan 120,000

Loan Interest 4.5%

Term 30 yrs

Potential Rental Income 16,440 (745 + 625)

Assumed Vacancy, 8% 1,315

Gross Operating Income 15,125

Property Taxes, Est. 2.5% 3,000

Insurance 450

Mgmt Fee, 8% 1,315

CapEx, 10% 1,644

Total Expenses 6,409

NOI 8,716

Annual Debt Service 7,296

CF Before Taxes 1,419

Monthly Income per unit, pre tax 59.14

Post: Boots on the Ground in Cincinnati, OH

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Originally posted by @Craig H.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Craig H.:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Craig H.:

I'm currently house hacking a 5 unit apartment building on the east side of Cincinnati.  What are features you're looking for in a property and community?

Hi Craig! I wasn't aware the house hacking strategy worked on properties over four units. Did your 5 unit house hack require a commercial loan, or were you able to get a low down payment residential loan for it? I'm looking to use a VA Loan, so preferably a "move in ready" 4plex in a family friendly area that is at most ~20 minutes from downtown where I'll be working.

Interesting situation on mine.  During the due diligence process I found out that the 5th unit didn't have a certificate of occupancy, so legally I couldn't rent that apartment.  It is the exact same layout as the other 4 apartments and has 2 egress points in it so I'm not sure what the hold up is on the CO for it, but that enabled me to not get a commercial loan, because the City of Cincinnati considers it a residential building.  House hacking so far has been going great.  I recommend it as a great way to get started in investing.  You're on site everyday and learning about the property and learning different skills that can help you in future properties.     

 What a curious, interesting thing! I'm very happy for you that it is going well thus far and you're enjoying the process. How has the experience of being a landlord been so far?

So far so good!  Living in the building with my tenants has not been an issue at all thus far.  It is key to set up proper expectations with tenants, even more so because you will be living in the building. 

If you don't mind me asking, how did you go about getting a good lease and do your tenants know that you are the owner? Do you have a special attorney to deal with any lease/tenant issues that may arise? 

Post: Boots on the Ground in Cincinnati, OH

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Originally posted by @Zach F.:

Hi @Account Closed I'd be happy to help as well. I've also got experience buying and living in four unit buildings, feel free to reach out for questions!

 Hi Zach, thanks! I'll send a colleague request, along with a few questions. 

Post: Boots on the Ground in Cincinnati, OH

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Originally posted by @Kimberly Pierce:

I sent you a pm

 Thanks Kimberly! I'll go check now. 

Post: Boots on the Ground in Cincinnati, OH

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Originally posted by @Melissa N.:

Hey @Account Closed

As a long distance investor in Cincy here's what I use to 'get familiar' with each block:

Crime: raidsonline.com - allows you to search crime up to 1 year - this speaks volumes and is a must-use, in my opinion. 

Neighborhood Scout - Gives you a good overview of the area

City-data - Use the map view to zoom into the specific block and it will give you more stats than you know what to do with. Vacancy, income levels, population - all great info. 

Most importantly reach out to as many locals as you can. I try to talk to someone living in the area at least once per week to help me understand the area/block. 

Good luck and feel free to reach out if you have any questions.

 Thank you Melissa! I'll be sure to look into those resources and definitely connect with locals.