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All Forum Posts by: Steven Barr

Steven Barr has started 86 posts and replied 161 times.

Post: How to pay your contractors

Steven BarrPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 57
Quote from @Eliott Elias:

I put a bullet proof contract in place initially. I pay 10% upfront, and The rest in draws. I typically have five draws.

@Eliott Elias where could I find a solid contract to give to my contractors?

Post: How to pay your contractors

Steven BarrPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 57
Quote from @Terrell Garren:

Nothing up front, draws through completion.  I supply materials except for paint, drywall, HVAC, rough plumbing, rough electrical, vinyl siding. 

@Terrell Garren do you have your contractors go pick the materials up from the store for you? Or do you have materials delivered to site?

Also, do you have your contractor walk the property and then provide you with the amount of materials you will need (sq ft of flooring for example), or do you just know this yourself?

Post: How to pay your contractors

Steven BarrPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 57

How do y’all pay your contractors for bigger jobs? Say $50-100k rehab jobs 

Do you pay 50% upfront and rest at completion? 30% upfront? Nothing up front and draws throughout the project? Buy materials yourself and pay for labor upon completion?

What do y’all think is the best way?



Post: All same brand appliances in flips?

Steven BarrPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 57

Do y’all think it matters having all same brand appliances? Or not a big deal as long as they are all stainless steel?

I should clarify that this question is geared towards houses with ARV below 350/400

Post: Wholesaling - how to do it

Steven BarrPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 57

Never wholesaled a property… usually flip them.

I have one Id like to wholesale though. What are the steps I need to take to do it?

Also, if I put under contract and can’t sell, am I on the hook for anything?

Post: Is this loan too expensive?

Steven BarrPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 57
Quote from @Eliott Elias:

Everything looks right except your loan origination. Too high. 

@Eliott Elias what should it be?

For house flips with ARV's anywhere from 250k-500k, what mm thickness are y'all using on your LVP floors?

Post: Is this loan too expensive?

Steven BarrPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 57
Quote from @Reid Chauvin:

@Steven Barr - I have never heard of a penalty for loan amount being too small...not a fan of that one, unless they were very clear about it upfront. While 760 is a very strong score it does not get the best pricing. I think that 760 used to, but Fannie Mae loan level price adjustments have changed and a 780 and 800 score can get better rate pricing respectively. 

@Reid Chauvin thanks for insight and agreed on the penalty! They were not upfront about it, seemed like a 4th quarter bait and switch tactic to me 

Post: Is this loan too expensive?

Steven BarrPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 57
Quote from @Reid Chauvin:

@Steven Barr - it does seem a little high on the processing/underwriting and credit fees, but not THAT much higher than other lenders. Almost 4 discount points is a lot, but with 20% down on a low loan amount investment property, if your credit is less than perfect then I guess that's not super surprising. 

The only way you're going to do markedly better financing a property like that is some outside-the-box financing, like seller financing. For that to work you have to find a seller who is willing to defer receipt of the 100% of the sales proceeds upon completion of the sale, which is easier said than done.

@Reid Chauvin my credit is 760. Not sure if that would negatively impact

They also charged me a $1250 penalty for the loan amount being small. And they required that the seller pay for this. I tried to negotiate additional seller credits, but I already negotiated $5k credits and they weren’t willing to budge anymore. So I ended up having to raise purchase price from 90,000 to 91,250 and then getting additional seller credits. Essentially giving up equity


Never heard of this before. Have you?

Post: Is this loan too expensive?

Steven BarrPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 162
  • Votes 57

I just purchased an investment property for $91,250 with 20% down on a FNMA backed loan at 7.625% interest and was charged the following:

3.909% loan origination: $2,854

Appraisal management fee: $85

Processing Fees: $800

Underwriting Fees: $850 

Appraisal Fee: $525

Credit Report: $120

Final Inspection: $150 

Total Lender Closing Costs: $5,384 

**this seems absurdly high on a $73,000 loan. That comes out to 7.37% (and we haven't included attorneys fees in this)

Is this what I should be expecting to pay on these type of loans, or do I need to find a new lender?

Thanks BP!