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All Forum Posts by: Stephen Bruce

Stephen Bruce has started 13 posts and replied 36 times.

Post: BRRRR a quadplex. Is it possible???

Stephen BrucePosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Jacob Sherman:

The best is to start the process and get an appraisal to go from there 


 What would an appraisal benefit if I value-add? 

Post: BRRRR a quadplex. Is it possible???

Stephen BrucePosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Jacob Sherman:

how much into construction ? How much will it be worth after its complete ?


Two great questions. I am using the extended due diligence period to get the most accurate renovation estimate as possible. Current rent rates for all 4 tenants are well below market rate because of the condition of the property. I'm hoping my value add will put the ARV between $435,000 and $500,000 (commercial appraisal). From a residential appraisal, I have not been able to create an ARV because of the lack of comps. Do you have any recommendations?

Post: BRRRR a quadplex. Is it possible???

Stephen BrucePosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Greg Kasmer:

Stephen - I'm about to purchase a quadraplex with some "value add". Not sure if it will become a BRRRR at some point in the next 1-3 years, but hoping to do so. Overall, I think the hard part with a quadraplex is how a bank (and/or appraiser) will value the property. Basically will they value it as a multifamily property (5+ units) using NOI and cap rate or will the quad be valued from a residential (comp-based perspective). I think you can create value (Increasing NOI) and you know that the lender would value the property from an income approach you'll have a better chance as a BRRRR. In respective, I would say create the value (increase revenue, decrease expenses) and then after you do that call a bunch of lenders to see how they would value the property. I would definitely real Bigger Pockets book on "Multifamily Millionaire" as a starting point. Good Luck!


Thanks for sharing! You brought up the hardest part of the process. Cap rate and NOI seem to be the easiest way to calculate my ARV! The hard part is knowing if a lender will accept it. Comps are hard to come by for a quadplex (They aren't really a dime a dozen like SFH). How do you plan on going about your ARV from a comp-based perspective?

Thanks, I will definitely read the book! And best of luck on your Quadplex :)

Post: Seeking Advice on Structuring Seller Financing

Stephen BrucePosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 16

I highly recommend the book "Invest in Debt" by Jimmy Napier. He will walk you through the note creation process. Best of luck!

Post: BRRRR a quadplex. Is it possible???

Stephen BrucePosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 16

For context, I am in the due diligence process of a quadplex in a C-class area. 

2 bed/ 1 bath

800 sq ft

PP: $275k

Cap Rate: 7.5%

This is my first attempt at BRRRRing a multifamily. Does anyone in the forum have past success using the BRRRR on multifamily? Where did you go wrong? What did you do right? What would you do differently? Any books you used to help you along your way?

Look forward to discussing this topic with everyone. 

Post: First BRRRR Appraisal

Stephen BrucePosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 16

I'm about to have my first appraisal done on my BRRRR. In your past experience, does it matter if the house is tenant occupied or empty?

I have a narrow windows between the cleaners coming and the tenant moving in so I’m trying to strategize for the best result. Thanks in advance! 

Post: Duplex BRRRR Strategy

Stephen BrucePosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 16

If you don't mind me ask, how did you determine the ARV on your multi family? I'm in the market for multi family and am trying to fine tune my ARV process. Any suggestions would help!

Post: Closing on my first BRRRR property tomorrow!

Stephen BrucePosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Luka Milicevic:

My current experience is the refinance process is extremely difficult

Historically, I have not had issues doing a refinance. It was very easy. 

Today, my lenders are not as....generous.

I'm either getting 55% LTVs, extremely high closing costs, or interest rates that are too high compared to current rates. 

That's been the biggest CURRENT issue that I'm facing with my most recent BRRRR

The interest rates when we refinance are making me the most nervous. My lender is giving me a 75% LTV with a 6 month maturity period. I guess I can’t dwell too long on what I can’t control! 

Post: Closing on my first BRRRR property tomorrow!

Stephen BrucePosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 16

Good evening, BPers! 

I am closing on my first property tomorrow! I am very excited but also nervous. The current economy can be intimidating for a first-timer. Do the experienced BRRRR investors have any advice for me as I start this process? Anything would help: from past experiences, current projects, navigating this market, tips and tricks on Reno, etc.


Thanks in advance! Looking forward to reading through everything you guys say. 

Post: Washer/dryer in a rental

Stephen BrucePosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 16

For my LTR, I am in-between providing a washer and dryer for my tenants and charging an extra $ amount/ month for the use of the equipment and not including them at all (I would sell the washer and dryer on FB marketplace). 

Any recommendations? Have you as a landlord leased a washer and dryer to a tenant? How much did you charge per month? 

Thanks in advance for help!