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All Forum Posts by: G. Brian Davis

G. Brian Davis has started 2004 posts and replied 2211 times.

Post: How to Avoid LARGE Loses in Passive Investing

G. Brian Davis
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  • Hatboro, PA
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Quote from @Sean Leonard:
Quote from @G. Brian Davis:

@Don Konipol I totally agree. I actually aim for not having any one real estate investment make up more than 1% of my net worth. I do that by going in on them with other people through an investment club (I can invest $5K in each investment). 

To your point, passive real estate investment returns tend to form a bell curve, with a few underperforming, a few overperforming, and most falling in the middle of the bell curve. When you only invest in one or two, the returns could end up anywhere on that bell curve. When you invest in one a month (like we do), they form a classic bell curve over time, averaging stronger returns than the stock market. 


So, you need at least $500,000 in liquid assets to become a passive investor in your Co-investing club? ($5,000 / 1% = $500,000) --Sean

Hi Sean, a couple quick points: 

1. I wasn't differentiating liquid vs. non-liquid assets. 

2. Every investor has to decide how they want to break down their own asset allocation. Some people don't mind putting 100% of their investment funds in real estate. I personally aim for around 50/50 stocks and real estate, and before I get to know an operator, I prefer to only invest around $5K with them. As I develop trust and confidence in them, I invest more, and I've come to have a significant portion of my net worth invested with some operators. 

When you're first getting started, you may not have the luxury of limiting your exposure in any one real estate investment to 1% of your total net worth. That's especially true if you're buying properties directly, or investing by yourself in a private equity real estate investment. But it's even true if you invest with $5K as a member of our Co-Investing Club. As you build your net worth, you get more granular control of the percentage of it that you can put into any one investment. 

Just to clarify, there's no minimum net worth for investors to join our Co-Investing Club. Anyway hope all that helped!

Post: How to Avoid LARGE Loses in Passive Investing

G. Brian Davis
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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
How do you handle  sec regs with your club.. ?  I sure like the concept though.. and I bet its fun.

Hey Jay, we handle it by being a subscription-based investment club. We charge a flat membership fee, rather than taking a cut of any of the money invested. Quite the opposite - I invest my personal money as just one more member, in each investment we end up doing as a club. 

So we're not selling securities. Think of it like a stock investing club that meets monthly to discuss, vet, and invest in stocks, except it's passive real estate investments. 

Post: How to Avoid LARGE Loses in Passive Investing

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My company SparkRental organizes a passive real estate investment club, called the Co-Investing Club. We meet twice a month: once to vet a passive investment together, and once to bring in an outside expert to present on their area of expertise. 

Any member can go in on any investment with $5K or more, all group investments are optional. My partner and I don't get a cut of any of the money invested, it's a flat-fee membership club. We create a new joint LLC for each investment, and each participant gets listed as an owner of the joint LLC.

We're really big on diversification. We invest in every property type, in cities across the country, with different syndicators or private partners. I don't want to try to predict the next "hot market" or "hot asset class." I've found that every time I've tried to get "clever" in my investments and pick the next hot thing, I've gotten burned. 

I look at it through the lens of dollar cost averaging my real estate investments. If I can invest $5K a pop instead of $50-100K, I can invest every single month, no matter what the "mood" of the market is. I don't have to worry about trying to time the market, which I think is a fool's errand no matter what the gurus say. 

Post: How to Avoid LARGE Loses in Passive Investing

G. Brian Davis
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  • Hatboro, PA
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@Don Konipol I totally agree. I actually aim for not having any one real estate investment make up more than 1% of my net worth. I do that by going in on them with other people through an investment club (I can invest $5K in each investment). 

To your point, passive real estate investment returns tend to form a bell curve, with a few underperforming, a few overperforming, and most falling in the middle of the bell curve. When you only invest in one or two, the returns could end up anywhere on that bell curve. When you invest in one a month (like we do), they form a classic bell curve over time, averaging stronger returns than the stock market. 

Post: Low Risk & High Returns? How to Spot "Asymmetric Returns" in Passive RE Investments

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Do high returns always come with high risk?

No. In fact, there's a term for this in finance: "asymmetric returns."

Don't get us wrong, some passive real estate investments do come with high risk. But others deliver on their promised returns while mitigating the major risks.

So how can you spot the passive real estate investments with low risk and high potential returns?

We’re going to break down six risk factors to check in a free workshop :-)

A few topics we'll discuss:

  • Tips to find investments offering asymmetrical returns
  • How to quickly assess the most common risks in real estate syndications
  • Risks that don't apply to syndications, that DO apply when you buy properties directly
  • ...and of course your questions and comments.

Excited to chat with you in the workshop!

Post: Creative financing / ideas to purchase

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I'd be cautious about overleveraging yourself, as an inexperienced investor. Creative financing works best for expert investors who can mitigate the higher risks with greater experience. 

You might consider house hacking a small multifamily (2-4 units) for your next home. You may or may not want to keep your current home as a rental, depending on how well it would cash flow. 

Or you can skip all the landlording headaches and invest passively instead :-)   That's the only way I invest nowadays.

Post: Why do so many people fail to get started?

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Buying properties directly takes both a lot of skill and a lot of work, at least if you're going to minimize risk and consistently earn strong returns. Anyone who says otherwise is selling a course on how to do it :-) 

Most people aren't prepared to start a side hustle in real estate investing, which is what active real estate investing is. It's why I invest passively nowadays.

Post: Syndication capital calls

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Quote from @Mark Forest:

Why is my syndication asking for capital calls?  Are any of you experiencing this?


 Out of curiosity which sponsor is it? 

We're constantly updating our watchlist of struggling sponsors to be wary of, so it helps to hear other investors' experiences. 

Post: Real Estate Syndications: Spark Rental

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Quote from @Melanie P.:

 Brian, This is a discussion forum. If you're going to use it to generate leads for your "investing club" I'm going to put the dangers and risks close by so at least the small investor you're pursuing for these ventures knows there is more here than meets the eye. 

I agree with you there is no loophole. You seem to believe that using the words "investing club" makes what you're doing legitimate. It does not. These are not four friends investing together. You market the service across the Internet; nearly every time you post there's a reference to try to generate interest. You select every investment Spark creates. Your partner forms and controls the investor-LLC. You charge fees for these services. The investors in the LLC expect to earn a return from the efforts of you and the syndicator. You are acting as an Investment Advisor. The shares of the LLC you sell at your monthly meeting are unregistered securities. It's widespread practice in the Real Estate Syndications industry to compensate bundlers by selling them their shares at a discount to par. If you're not participating, as you say, OK, but I will keep looking into it until I'm satisfied that is not taking place. This happens every day, there's lots of marketing activity to say no to revenue, and oddly prior to anyone bringing it up you're screaming from the hilltops that Spark doesn't accept this money - well time will tell. If you are, together with the fact that you execute trades and maintain accounts for your customers you're a broker.

You market to the least sophisticated, smallest investors out there. If your investors had $50k to invest and were accredited, why would they need you? Small dollar, unaccredited investors with little real estate experience are wholly unsuitable for the investments you are selling. My math is correct. You are not licensed, at least in part, because the activity you're engaged in would be prohibited of any licensee.  Investors must remain in the club, paying dues for the life of their investment. You even have contractual language that allows you to withhold these fees from any remittances due the investor.

Not a single false word has been written about Spark. We do have a legitimate difference of opinion on the rules and regulations that govern Spark's activities. I will request the SEC give us their opinion and that should settle the matter. I recall you like chocolate.


 The lengthy accusations are starting to feel like a personal vendetta Melanie. I invited you to come sit in on a club deal discussion to see exactly how we work. If you are genuinely interested, please message me and I'll send you an invitation link. If not, please stop heckling me on the forums.

Post: Real Estate Syndications: Spark Rental

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Quote from @Ian Ippolito:
Quote from @Simone Montague-Jackson:

Hey everyone, 

I'm interested in RE syndications, but I'm quite cautious because I don't want to incur any scams. And I don't know how to start any on my own at the moment. However, I attended an RE meetup and learned about this company called Spark Rental (https://sparkrental.com/coinvesting/?utm_source=SparkRental+...). If anyone is currently investing with this company or know more about it, please comment below or PM me because I don't want to jump into anything that would cause me to lose money. 


Thanx in advance :) 

Every investor comes from a different risk tolerance, financial situation and has different financial goals. So what looks great to one investor will look terrible to another vice versa.

I'm a conservative investor and for me this sponsor is an easy "no":

1) I generally want to see at least one full real estate cycle experience in the exact strategy (and with little to no money lost).  This sponsor appears to be way too green for me. Other things that are red flags for me: Their bios don't even mention how long they've been managing other people's money.  I want to see their experience managing other people's money (and which is much harder than just buying properties for personal investing purposes).

2) No details on key things that indicate risk like co-investment, structure of debt etc. Often the lack of these things are associated with sponsors and deals that target unsophisticated investors. If that happens to be the case here then these types of sponsors and deals usually have multiple things that I can't stomach.

3) I'm not a fan of the gimmick of charging investors a recurring fee just for the potential chance to get access to an investment. There are many other ways to get access that don't do this.

Hi Ian, we're not a sponsor, and don't manage other people's money. That's why you can't find sponsor-related information on our website.
We invite sponsors to come present deals to our investment club members. Anyone who wants to go in on a deal can do so. Things like the debt structure vary by the deal, sponsor, etc.
Club membership dues go toward organizing semi-monthly club meetings, networking with sponsors, and otherwise making sure our club members can go in on new deals with each other each month.
Happy to connect and walk through exactly how each joint venture LLC is structured, and answer any other questions you have.