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All Forum Posts by: G. Brian Davis

G. Brian Davis has started 2004 posts and replied 2212 times.

Post: Real Estate Syndications: Spark Rental

G. Brian Davis
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  • Hatboro, PA
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Quote from @Ian Ippolito:
Quote from @Simone Montague-Jackson:

Hey everyone, 

I'm interested in RE syndications, but I'm quite cautious because I don't want to incur any scams. And I don't know how to start any on my own at the moment. However, I attended an RE meetup and learned about this company called Spark Rental (https://sparkrental.com/coinvesting/?utm_source=SparkRental+...). If anyone is currently investing with this company or know more about it, please comment below or PM me because I don't want to jump into anything that would cause me to lose money. 


Thanx in advance :) 

Every investor comes from a different risk tolerance, financial situation and has different financial goals. So what looks great to one investor will look terrible to another vice versa.

I'm a conservative investor and for me this sponsor is an easy "no":

1) I generally want to see at least one full real estate cycle experience in the exact strategy (and with little to no money lost).  This sponsor appears to be way too green for me. Other things that are red flags for me: Their bios don't even mention how long they've been managing other people's money.  I want to see their experience managing other people's money (and which is much harder than just buying properties for personal investing purposes).

2) No details on key things that indicate risk like co-investment, structure of debt etc. Often the lack of these things are associated with sponsors and deals that target unsophisticated investors. If that happens to be the case here then these types of sponsors and deals usually have multiple things that I can't stomach.

3) I'm not a fan of the gimmick of charging investors a recurring fee just for the potential chance to get access to an investment. There are many other ways to get access that don't do this.

Hi Ian, we're not a sponsor, and don't manage other people's money. That's why you can't find sponsor-related information on our website.
We invite sponsors to come present deals to our investment club members. Anyone who wants to go in on a deal can do so. Things like the debt structure vary by the deal, sponsor, etc.
Club membership dues go toward organizing semi-monthly club meetings, networking with sponsors, and otherwise making sure our club members can go in on new deals with each other each month.
Happy to connect and walk through exactly how each joint venture LLC is structured, and answer any other questions you have.

Post: Real Estate Syndications: Spark Rental

G. Brian Davis
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  • Hatboro, PA
  • Posts 2,248
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Quote from @Melanie P.:

@Simone Montague-Jackson Spark's main claim to fame is that they have created what they believe is a loophole to allow non-accredited investors to invest in Reg. D offerings together as an "investing club LLC." There are additional fees incurred investing this way: membership fees, fees to maintain the entity that carries every deal you get involved with and possibly other non-disclosed fees.

Syndications are EXTREMELY risky investments suitable only for highly-experienced accredited investors who can appreciate the risk both to their principal in the case of bad planning or a scam AND to having their capital locked up for 5 years+. If everything goes according to plan you might make some dollars along the way and a payout when the asset sells. All deals have their own unique structure and you should understand the advantage and disadvantage to taking distributions along the way vs. a higher payout of profits at the end. And you must not forget that WHEN (not if) there are bumps in the road the monthly distributions will be put on hold, you may be told to have to invest more (a "capital call"), or you may lose some or all of the principal originally invested.

Spark's self-reported record is "two dozen or so" investments, 2 of those have had their distributions paused and one of the two had a capital call. The record is not terrible, but I'm not a fan of their model because it targets investors for whom these are wholly inappropriate investments. Here's why: Let's say you put $5,000 into one of their deals and everything goes well. This means sometime five years from now you'll pull out $10,000. Some of that $5,000 profit you may get along the way in distributions. You'll also pay Spark's $59 membership fee 60 times, the LLC maintenance fee 5 times - $3.915 in expenses to use Spark as your "platform. " Net $1,085. The same $5,000 put in TBills and rolled over would net you $1,622.36 with zero risk, liquidity should you need it and no state income tax.

Furthermore, I find Spark's claims dubious at best. Only the person running the club chooses potential investments. In my opinion this characteristic results in Spark not meeting the definition of an investment club under SEC rules. If this ever becomes an issue while you're in a deal everyone invested will have to pay out a share of the compliance costs to get their investment entity legal with the SEC. I also believe, but cannot yet prove that Spark has earned remuneration for putting together the group of investors in that if they are buying a $50,000 share from a promoter they remit some amount less than that and receive the full share giving them a "share" of the LLC they created to hold everyone's funds. This is my opinion only and Spark denies it but the details will come out eventually. A savvy investor will impute a negative inference to the fact that Spark is unlicensed, cannot legally make investment recommendations and owe you no sort of duty (fiduciary or otherwise) to put your financial interest ahead of their own.

Proceed with extreme caution. Or just buy a TBill on Treasury Direct and call it a day. 


Melanie please stop mischaracterizing our business model. There's no loophole. If four friends go in on a syndication deal together, it's not a loophole. The same goes for ten people who get together every month in an investment club.

Your math doesn't make any sense, because people join the club to invest in many deals, not one. And if they decide they no longer want to invest through the club, they leave it and stop paying club membership dues. So in your example where someone only wants to invest in one deal alongside other members of the investment club, they would pay the $59 monthly fee once, then leave the club.

I'm also extremely offended that you're suggesting that we're lying about our business model. All members who go in on a syndication together get View access to the joint LLC bank account we create. They see exactly how much money each person - including me - puts into each deal.

Please stop libeling our investment club. It's unprofessional, spiteful, and downright false. If you want to see exactly how our investment club works, come attend a club meeting. Otherwise stop making things up. 

Post: Real Estate Syndications: Spark Rental

G. Brian Davis
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  • Hatboro, PA
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Quote from @Simone Montague-Jackson:

Thanx for responding, and I'm glad you're in the group to answer my questions. Also, with the investment, is there a monthly ROI or is the money simply held in the syndication?


Hi Simone, each syndication deal is different. Some pay distributions, others don't, at least for the first year or two. Sometimes we invest in notes that only pay interest income. You pick and choose the syndications that fit your investing goals.

Post: Real Estate Syndications: Spark Rental

G. Brian Davis
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  • Hatboro, PA
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Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Simone Montague-Jackson Montague-Jackson

Brian Davis is on BP (not letting me tag him) as he runs the group.

In the past I have heard they have done a good job underwriting deals they invest in.

 Thanks Chris!

Hi Simone, no real estate investment comes without risk. But risk is what we prioritize as an investment club, as we vet deals together. It helps that there are a lot of people all vetting these deals together, so we all gain the benefit of each others' expertise. 

We have a no-questions-asked refund policy for membership dues, so we'd love to have you come and attend a club meeting or two, see how we're vetting deals together, and if you decide it's not for you, you can leave the club with no hard feelings and a full refund. 

Reach out any time with questions!

Post: Registered Agent for anonymity

G. Brian Davis
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  • Hatboro, PA
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Quote from @Melanie P.:

@G. Brian Davis Thank you for your forthright reply. Your now-removed post praising syndicattitions as an answer to maintaining privacy in direct real estate transactions is what inspired my comments.

While I'm sure your investors were disappointed with the deals that are on hold your record is better and more extensive than i thought it would be. I did not expect you to answer. Most people in  that space who market here cannot answer my questions. 

Can any syndicator present at your club's meetings? Any fees for that? Do you ever pitch any syndications yourself when nobody from the syndicator is available to attend the club meeting?

In my lay opinion the LLCs you create to bundle your investor funds are investment contracts subject to registration. Generally, a membership interest is an investment contract if members invest and expect to make a profit from the efforts of others. If every member in an investment club actively helps decide what investments to make, the membership interests in the club would probably not be considered securities. If the club has even one passive member, it may be issuing securities.


Presenting deals to our club members is invitation-only, and we don't charge a fee for sponsors to present their deal. We just look for the deals that we ourselves want to put our own money in, and then invite that sponsor to come answer questions about their deal in front of all of us.

We aren't sponsors ourselves, so we don't pitch deals. We have no interest in selling securities, at least not at this time. We've spoken several times with an attorney who specializes in this area of law, and he's assured us that our flat-fee investment club model is well established in the law and that we're not selling securities. That was definitely our first concern when we conceived of this peer-based club however, and was the first phone call we made.

It's a fun way to invest, and we all benefit from everyone else's experience and knowledge. And, of course, we each get to invest small amounts to participate in deals that would otherwise require a lot of money to invest in.

Post: Registered Agent for anonymity

G. Brian Davis
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  • Hatboro, PA
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Quote from @Melanie P.:

@G. Brian Davis How many of the syndications that were part of your "club" have paused distributions or had a capital call?

Syndications are extremely risky investments where one has no control over their investment, no ability to liquidate their investment, no control, no title, and no way of verifying the investment promoter's claims. 

Your operation, which earns commissions from marketing and recommending investments, is not a club. You're a broker. Non syndicated investments have specific caps one must observe. Your failure to mention these caps leads me to believe you either don't observe them or don't know what you're doing. Neither is a good sign for anyone considering this line of "investing."


Melanie perhaps you should ask before assuming, because every single thing you said is incorrect. I'm not a broker. I'm not a sponsor or a syndicator. I don't operate a fund of funds. I don't earn a commission from marketing or recommending investments, don't earn a cut of any of the money invested by our club. Quite the opposite: I invest my own personal money in each deal alongside our members, as just one more participant.
We coordinate a flat-fee investment club, where we invite different sponsors to speak each month and share their latest deals. Any club members who want to invest in that deal can do so.
Your question was clearly rhetorical but I'll answer it as if it were sincere: Of the two dozen or so deals we've invested in together as a club, two have had capital calls. One of those two deals paused distributions before the capital call. No other deals have paused distributions.
I accept chocolates if you feel so inclined ;-)

Post: Investing out of State

G. Brian Davis
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  • Hatboro, PA
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Hi Jerell, I started my real estate career as a rental investor, but I discovered I hated being a landlord and how much time it ended up costing me. It wasn't actually passive income, it was a part-time real estate business.

I ended up selling off all my rental properties. Today I invest passively in real estate, putting small amounts ($5K) in different passive investments (such as syndications and notes) each month through an investment club. People get spooked off by terms like "private equity" and "real estate syndication" but it's actually a much easier way to invest in real estate than buying properties directly. You get all the benefits - cash flow, appreciation, tax advantages - without all the headaches.

Anyway just my two cents, wish someone had introduced me to this format of investing alongside a group of other investors when I was first starting out. 

Post: What do investors see as a solid LP return?

G. Brian Davis
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  • Hatboro, PA
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Quote from @Kenneth Bell:
Quote from @G. Brian Davis:
When we go in on deals together in our investment club, we typically aim for mid-teens or higher. We make exceptions for especially low-risk investments, in which case we might accept as little as 10%.
Ground-up development is not low-risk however, with a few uncommon exceptions. We'd probably have to believe it would pay us high-teens IRR, and would have to feel really confident in the sponsor's experience, construction crew, and local expertise.

 Thanks for the reply Brian.  I will take what you said into consideration. I am curious as to why you consider ground up development more more risky than value add? I have heard this a few times and I want to understand from the investors perspective why that is.  


It typically takes several years for a building to finish and start generating income, and market conditions can change over that time. More supply could hit the market, for example, or cap rates could expand fast and leave the developer trying to figure out how to rent and hold the units. With existing properties you have the potential for immediate cash flow, and you know the market rent with precision. You also (hopefully) have an experienced property management team and plenty of runway on the debt, letting the sponsor pick and choose the right time to sell or refinance, rather than being forced into it upon completion of the buildings.
Just my two cents. Doesn't mean ground-up development is a bad investment. I'm open to it. I'd just have to feel more confident than usual that local market conditions won't change for the worse over the next 2-3 years.

Post: What do investors see as a solid LP return?

G. Brian Davis
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  • Hatboro, PA
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When we go in on deals together in our investment club, we typically aim for mid-teens or higher. We make exceptions for especially low-risk investments, in which case we might accept as little as 10%.
Ground-up development is not low-risk however, with a few uncommon exceptions. We'd probably have to believe it would pay us high-teens IRR, and would have to feel really confident in the sponsor's experience, construction crew, and local expertise.

Post: Newbie (3 doors) Needs a Pep Talk

G. Brian Davis
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  • Hatboro, PA
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Quote from @Max Smetiouk:
Quote from @G. Brian Davis:
I'm so sorry to hear you've had such a rough go of it Fran. To be honest, I had a rough go of it as well when I was buying rental properties.
Eventually I got rid of all my rentals and switched to passive real estate investing. I own a fractional interest in over 2,500 units today, and I don't have to hassle with tenants or lenders or inspectors or insurance or contractors or property managers. I just wire in the money and sit back to enjoy the cash flow, appreciation, and tax benefits.
If you love the idea of a real estate side hustle and being a landlord, then I would never discourage you. But if you just want the investment benefits of real estate, consider joining an investment club that goes in on real estate syndications together. That's how I invest every month, with relatively small amounts.

 That's a great idea! I didn't know you get tax benefits as well. Is it true for both GP or LP? And what kind of tax benefits?


 The tax benefits pass through to both LPs (passive investors) and GPs (syndicators). These include depreciation and all expense deductions.