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All Forum Posts by: Ellie Narie

Ellie Narie has started 94 posts and replied 200 times.

Post: How do you "define" primary residence for FHA purposes?

Ellie NariePosted
  • Investor
  • Ashland, OR
  • Posts 201
  • Votes 36
Quote from @David M.:

@Ellie Narie

You need to "treat" its as your primary residence for 365 days...  You could be on a business trip(s) for 365 days, but that is your primary residence.  For example, you mailing address of record with your employer (i.e. W2/1099's get mailed there) and other statements (e.g. bank statments, utility bills, credit card bills, etc.).  Nowadays there is paperless billing, but the bills still have an address on them..

There is nothing illegal about having a life change. If in 6mo your job relocates you or you change jobs to a different location, of course you can get a new owner occupied loan. Of course, I would have documentation for this. You aren't supposed to pay off a conforming loan before the 6th payment, so a little tough to get around that. Also, not sure why/how you would refinance into a conventional "investment" loan... If you qualify, the conventional loan is going to be cheaper than FHA. The former usually does a 95% LTV and sometimes 97% LTV. The latter can do 96.5% LTV.. So, if you go FHA for the higher LTV, why bother paying for a second loan, the conventional, since you are going to have to come with cash to the refi to satisfy the LTV. If you are trying to brrr or something, well then yes you are playing a game trying to use a conforming loan designed by the Gov't to help people buy primary homes, not investors.

Be happy to chat, just let me know.  Hope this helps.  Good luck.

Well, my reason for refinancing into investment is so that I wouldn't need to occupy it anymore. It might also work out as a cash-out refi with the deal. I might be getting a property that already has 25%+ equity from the start, so I'd rather just refinance it as soon as I can. But I know that if I go the conventional route to begin with, lenders will still want 25% down based on purchase price, regardless of equity/appraised value. So it makes since to do the FHA with 3.5% down. 

Post: How do you "define" primary residence for FHA purposes?

Ellie NariePosted
  • Investor
  • Ashland, OR
  • Posts 201
  • Votes 36
Quote from @Theresa Harris:
If you aren't living in the house full time, it isn't your primary residence.  With your example of staying there 1 night out of 6 months, whereever you are spending the other 6 months of the year is your primary residence.
No, I mean if I spend 6 months and 1 night out of the full year at the fha residence, does that count as fulfilling the loan obligations? 

I'm not trying to go around them, I'm just trying to see what counts. 

If I plan to refinance into investment after 6 months (regardless of interest rates and whatnot), is that considered illegal? That I'm technically planning to refinance before the one year is over?

Post: How do you "define" primary residence for FHA purposes?

Ellie NariePosted
  • Investor
  • Ashland, OR
  • Posts 201
  • Votes 36
Quote from @Ellie Narie:

Could you live in an FHA property for 6 months and 1 day and still have it count as your primary residence? As in, spend 6 months and 1 day sleeping at the property, and the other time of the year not sleeping there, but you'd still have your taxes/utility bills/everything going to that property and being in your name, and it wouldn't be rented out.

Also, what happens if you travel a lot and are out of the country for a few months per year (consecutive)? Do those months count as "living at the FHA property"?

Another question: If the property appraises for 25% more than the purchase price, and you plan to refinance it after 6 months into an "investment" property, is this still okay or is it "bad" because you'd already be planning to refinance it before your one year of residency is over? 

Haven't recieved a response, so I'm curious if anyone knows the answers.

Post: How do you "define" primary residence for FHA purposes?

Ellie NariePosted
  • Investor
  • Ashland, OR
  • Posts 201
  • Votes 36

Could you live in an FHA property for 6 months and 1 day and still have it count as your primary residence? As in, spend 6 months and 1 day sleeping at the property, and the other time of the year not sleeping there, but you'd still have your taxes/utility bills/everything going to that property and being in your name, and it wouldn't be rented out.

Also, what happens if you travel a lot and are out of the country for a few months per year (consecutive)? Do those months count as "living at the FHA property"?

Another question: If the property appraises for 25% more than the purchase price, and you plan to refinance it after 6 months into an "investment" property, is this still okay or is it "bad" because you'd already be planning to refinance it before your one year of residency is over? 

Post: Minimum down payment for multi-fam, if it appraises for 25% more?

Ellie NariePosted
  • Investor
  • Ashland, OR
  • Posts 201
  • Votes 36
Originally posted by @Bill B.:

The appraisal can only lower the loan amount, not increase it. If it appraisals for what you’re paying to the dollar or more is all the same. 

Wouldn't having 25% equity at the start give me more options? Like, get rid of PMI?

Post: Minimum down payment for multi-fam, if it appraises for 25% more?

Ellie NariePosted
  • Investor
  • Ashland, OR
  • Posts 201
  • Votes 36

If I buy a multi-family (such as a 4plex) and plan to owner-occupy it, but it appraises for 25% more than the purchase price, what are the best options to proceed? Would I be able to get it with 0 down if I owner-occupy, if I go the conventional route? What about if I want it as an investment property without owner occupying, would I be able to get it with 0 down, or would I still need 25% cash down based on the purchase price?

Post: Buying a 4-plex househack - can you remove another tenant?

Ellie NariePosted
  • Investor
  • Ashland, OR
  • Posts 201
  • Votes 36

If you're buying a 4-plex househack, and one unit is empty, but that specific unit is too small for your family, what's the best course of action? Should you just buy it, and then remove another tenant from another unit after you close?  This is in Oregon. 

Originally posted by @Colleen F.:

@Ellie Narie I just tell them that all damages are deducted at vacancy of all parties. If they want an inspection or there is known damage by the roommate I can bill it now. I will not deduct from the sd.

What do you usually do about the rental agreement? Do you add an addendum to the agreement that states who is added and who is removed? Or do you have all the new roommates sign a new rental agreement together (along with the roommate who is staying)? 

If I have the new roommate pay the security deposit to the old roommate, do I need to get this in writing somehow? Or is it between the roommates? 

Originally posted by @Colleen F.:

@Ellie Narie No.   Have them present you with a new roommate for screening and approval and then amend the lease. The security deposit division is between them, it stays with the property. The new roommate can remimburse the leaving roommate or the staying roommate can reimburse the leaving roommate but it is their issue.  I usually have a termination agreement for the leaving roommate. It says no security deposit or refunds are due to them and the lease of xyz date is terminated.

 Do you do a walk-through inspection of the apartment, even if it's still occupied by one roommate? Or do you just have the new roommate pay the moving-out roommate the deposit, without any sort of walk-through? In this case, the new roommate would be responsible for any damage caused by the old roommate, I assume. 

I'm renting out a 2 bedroom apartment to two people. They're on the agreement as joint tenants. They had a disagreement, and now one person wants to move out, and wants half of the security deposit back ("their" portion). On the rental agreement, it's written as though they both paid the security deposit jointly, since they agreed to rent out this apartment together. 

The other person wants to stay and find a new roommate. 

What should I do in this situation? Do they both need to move out before I return the security deposit? Should I just do a walk-through and return the moving tenant half of the security deposit minus deductions?