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All Forum Posts by: Solomon Rosenberg

Solomon Rosenberg has started 8 posts and replied 45 times.

Post: 2 Capital calls in 2 weeks! Ouch

Solomon RosenbergPosted
  • Investor
  • Rockland County, NY
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 55
Quote from @Melanie P.:
Quote from @Solomon Rosenberg:

 Solomon, Please correct me with what you learned if I am incorrect, but the perception I'm getting is that you think you learned not to get involved in deals that aren't bought right and have too much leverage that cannot be refinanced. However, the lesson I think you should take is that the way to tell a syndicator is lying is his keyboard is clacking/lips are moving. 

IMO, The true lesson is that you lack the skills to properly evaluate the investment materials to know whether a property was bought right or wrong. If the financing will work out or not, Please do not take that as an insult. I do not believe anyone has the skills to evaluate these deals in the context of doing it alongside GPs you don't know and can't trust.

 @Melanie P. I get it, you don't trust syndicators.  Like anything else, there are good ones and bad ones, many have done well and continue doing well investing in syndications, and like any other investment there is risk, and it's certainly not for everyone.

Post: 2 Capital calls in 2 weeks! Ouch

Solomon RosenbergPosted
  • Investor
  • Rockland County, NY
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 55
Quote from @Amit M.:
Quote from @Gino Barbaro:

@Solomon Rosenberg

Lesson learned. At least you took action, and learned. Most people will make excuses never to take action. Now, you've learned an important lesson. You have the rest of your life to implement the learning.

I would almost guarantee every investor has lost money at some point in their career. 

Onto bigger things!
Gino

Hi, @Solomon Rosenberg a question for you: did you participate in any of the capital calls?

@Amit M. thankfully I did not. 

Post: 2 Capital calls in 2 weeks! Ouch

Solomon RosenbergPosted
  • Investor
  • Rockland County, NY
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 55
Quote from @Gino Barbaro:

@Solomon Rosenberg

Each property is bleeding 6 figures monthly?  I would take each deal individually, and look at the sponsor. Have they been through this situation? Does their plan look viable to be able to stabilize the deal.

I like your thought process, and I think you've answered your own question. It sounds as if you wouldn't invest in this deal today.

What I would do is to try and figure out what made these deals go bad, and to avoid it in the net market cycle.

There may be distressed deals upcoming where you can place the capital you were going to put into these deals into those deals.

Did you talk to any of the other investors to see what they were doing?

Gino

@Gino Barbaro This post is from a while back, both of these deals ended with almost a complete loss, I took a few hard lessons that should serve me in the future. P s. I listened to some of your podcasts, buy right, finance right, manage right. These rules were not properly followed in these deals. (though these can be subjective)

Post: (First post) Wholesaler list for multifamily properties

Solomon RosenbergPosted
  • Investor
  • Rockland County, NY
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 55

You can find them in local Facebook re groups and at re meetups. 

Post: 2 Capital calls in 2 weeks! Ouch

Solomon RosenbergPosted
  • Investor
  • Rockland County, NY
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 55
Quote from @Evan Polaski:

@Solomon Rosenberg, how do you assess Class C vs Class B?  These are very subjective terms.  And you talking property or submarket class?  I would argue market and submarket dynamics are far riskier than property class, i.e. a C property from amenities standpoint in an A area will, all else being equal, out perform an A asset in C market.

Was the property that you invested in that lost money marketed as a C property?  Did the syndicator specifically call that out in their marketing materials?

I have received many decks over the years from many syndication groups, and I have yet to see any syndicator market anything below B- assets.  Clearly I am not on every list of every syndicator, but there are definitely C- (in my opinion) assets in the riskiest parts of major metros being marketed as "low B", or maybe just not rated at all.

At the end of the day, syndicators are generally going to call out all the positives they see in the deal.  I have yet to see a syndicator market a deal as "this is a high risk investment due to the current tenant base having a $25k/yr Avg income and the market being one of the top 10 crime markets in the country".  What I see is "great opportunity to reposition the asset in the market given its close proximity to the major airport and logisitics centers".

@Evan Polaski You are 100% right, the market and location is much more important than the age and condition of the property itself for the reasons you stated, even in the best markets there are some bad areas.

I don't know if there is a clear definition of the property classes, what I consider class B is built after the mid 80's, and will be somewhere you feel comfortable walking at night, fairly close to shopping and amenities, and have a good amount of middle class renters. 

syndicators will always point out all the positives, you have to do your own research on the neighborhood, income level, comps and crime. 

Post: 2 Capital calls in 2 weeks! Ouch

Solomon RosenbergPosted
  • Investor
  • Rockland County, NY
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 55
Quote from @Melanie P.:
Quote from @Solomon Rosenberg:

 To answer your question @Christie Gahan to focus on the sponsor that screwed up, is missing the point. 

For sure there is plenty of blame to go around and we can choose to vent on them. Sharing names will not make you  or me better investors and will not prevent anyone from losing money in the future. 

My point is that if you're going to invest in something understand it enough to know what are the risks to look out for, and be disciplined, don't follow the herd.

I learned many lessons, and I believe it will serve me in my current and future investments. 


 Wrong. Naming the name of the fund where you lost 93% of the money you put in could help the next investor avoid placing money with that promoter. This guy has got to be one SMOOTH LOVER to disappear 93% of your investment and have you worried about his reputation. 

What did you learn, exactly? You have got to be net negative overall on your real estate syndication investments --- are you continuing to gamble with your money in this market?


 I respectfully disagree, first off I have made amazing returns on a few projects with this sponsor. #2 Investing in class C multifamily with a major value add component is riskier than some other types of deals as these deals had bridge debt and with the rates rising fast they couldn't get out in time, there are multiple deals from many sponsor that went south in the past year, I'm not whitewashing these sponsors they made some serious mistakes, just putting some context. 

And some of the lessons I've learned are, Class  B properties are safer investments. highly leveraged deals while they can have better returns are risky. Floating rate debt is dangerous. Among other lessons. 

And yes I am invested and continue Investing in mf, and i'm doing fine.

Investing has its risks and is not right for everyone.

Post: 2 Capital calls in 2 weeks! Ouch

Solomon RosenbergPosted
  • Investor
  • Rockland County, NY
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 55
Quote from @Christie Gahan:
Quote from @Solomon Rosenberg:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Solomon Rosenberg

Can you share the sponsor so others know for future and to confirm you are taking a 93% loss

That is correct, 93% loss.  I don't want to share names, because this was an experienced sponsor who I believe is an honest person who mmade some serious mistakes, investors should do their due diligence on sponsors and also have a good understanding of how multifamily works so you can sense when the risk is high. I'm sharing my experiences so others can learn from my mistakes. 

 I don't think this is just about honesty.  I'm honest and I make mistakes every day.  I need to know how you are preventing these mistakes happening again.  If someone doesn't want to discuss their mistakes, they should not be investing other peoples money.  

I agree that investors have to do due dilligence.  My question is, How do you do that if no one publically states names?

 To answer your question @Christie Gahan to focus on the sponsor that screwed up, is missing the point. 

For sure there is plenty of blame to go around and we can choose to vent on them. Sharing names will not make you  or me better investors and will not prevent anyone from losing money in the future. 

My point is that if you're going to invest in something understand it enough to know what are the risks to look out for, and be disciplined, don't follow the herd.

I learned many lessons, and I believe it will serve me in my current and future investments. 

Post: 2 Capital calls in 2 weeks! Ouch

Solomon RosenbergPosted
  • Investor
  • Rockland County, NY
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 55
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Solomon Rosenberg:

Update  - one of the properties sold last month, the lp's are getting back 7% of the invested capital, I'm taking  a hit on this one, I learned some expensive lessons. 


Basically a wipe out  

That's correct. 

Post: 2 Capital calls in 2 weeks! Ouch

Solomon RosenbergPosted
  • Investor
  • Rockland County, NY
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 55
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Solomon Rosenberg

Can you share the sponsor so others know for future and to confirm you are taking a 93% loss

That is correct, 93% loss.  I don't want to share names, because this was an experienced sponsor who I believe is an honest person who mmade some serious mistakes, investors should do their due diligence on sponsors and also have a good understanding of how multifamily works so you can sense when the risk is high. I'm sharing my experiences so others can learn from my mistakes. 

Post: 2 Capital calls in 2 weeks! Ouch

Solomon RosenbergPosted
  • Investor
  • Rockland County, NY
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 55

Update  - one of the properties sold last month, the lp's are getting back 7% of the invested capital, I'm taking  a hit on this one, I learned some expensive lessons.