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All Forum Posts by: Nick Reuter

Nick Reuter has started 6 posts and replied 74 times.

Post: 2nd STR Purchase Lender?

Nick ReuterPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 42
Originally posted by @Andrew Postell:

@Nick Reuter Fannie/Freddie do require that the loan and the property are in your personal name. You can certainly change the title of the property to your LLC after closing but the loan would always be in your name personally. Hope that makes sense.

Thanks - I thought some loans had a clause where you couldn't transfer title to LLC. I think it's called a "Due on Sale Clause".

Also - I was still wondering about if you can include rental income from the property you are buying in a conventional loan. It sounds like you were saying that? 

Post: 2nd STR Purchase Lender?

Nick ReuterPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 42
Originally posted by @Andrew Postell:

@Nick Reuter you are running into 2 separate issues here.  But to answer your question directly - a conventional (Fannie/Freddie) loan will allow 15% down, and count the rental income from your new purchase towards your "debt-to-income" ratio.  This is because on the new purchase, you will get the benefit of the doubt on the 12 month rental income, even if the property is vacant.  Now you still have to qualify otherwise for the loan, but assuming you would, then that's the easiest route to take.

Now, to provide some context, generally speaking there are 2 main types of loans for investors: “Conventional” and “Portfolio”

Conventional - I'll define these as loans that come from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (if you recognize those names). These loans are all 30 year fixed rate loans. They have the lowest rates we can find and since they are 30 year fixed...they allow us to cash flow better...which helps us qualify for other loans later. The draw back to these loans is that they are more paperwork heavy than the other "portfolio" types of loans....but if you have ever received a loan on your primary home, it's likely that you will go through the same type of paperwork here with conventional lending. Fannie/Freddie money = Fannie/Freddie rules. NOT the bank's own money. This loan type will NOT count the STR income towards helping you qualify.

Portfolio - I'll define these loans as loans that come from the bank's own "portfolio" of money. Sometimes referred to as "commercial" loans. These loans are a lot more flexible than "conventional" loans. Bank's money = Bank's rules. If they like you, then maybe they will lend to you. But since there is a limit to how much money the bank has access to....their rate will be higher...and usually a shorter term. The most common portfolio style loan in Texas is a 20 year adjustable rate loan. These loans are easier to get but the terms are different. There are 30 year, fixed rate lenders in this world that will count the income from STR to help you qualify. You just have to find them.

This might be a lot of info so feel free to ask anything else if you need.  Thanks!

Thanks! Just to clarify - you mention conventional - "This loan type will NOT count the STR income towards helping you qualify." but in the first sentence you say "a conventional (Fannie/Freddie) loan will allow 15% down, and count the rental income from your new purchase towards your "debt-to-income" ratio."

If I can include projected rental income from the property I am purchasing, I should have no problem with DTI then, even if I can't include it from my current property. Can i get a conventional loan as an LLC, or does it need to be in my name?

Post: 2nd STR Purchase Lender?

Nick ReuterPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 42
Originally posted by @Luke Carl:

Do a 15% down investment loan with projected rent income on the new property. No big deal. 

But be advised banks want STR on tax returns because there is no lease. Which just means you'll need to wait till January for #3

If I can include STR projected income on this property I should have no dti issues.

Post: 2nd STR Purchase Lender?

Nick ReuterPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 42

Hi all,

I live in FL (primary home), and we have a STR property (that our family uses a lot as well) in Banner Elk, NC. We bought this property last September.

I'm looking at purchasing an additional STR property, also in the same general area (returns have been so great, we would like to stick to the area). This will also be a combo investment / personal use home.

I have around ~10 - 15% of the estimated purchase price of the 2nd STR property available in liquid funds (towards a down payment) and a HELOC on Primary home which could cover the balance of down payment up to 20 or even 30 or 40% if necessary. It should cash flow positive with a cap rate around ~9% (conservative estimates, could be as high as 13 / 14%, not including principal paydown).

Anyway. I'm trying to figure out financing for this 2nd property. I've called a few lenders and have hit a few walls. Some are tight on DTI because they won't count income from our 1st STR until we have had it for 2 years (even though I have 5 years of rental income history from previous owner). Other lenders are saying that investment property products are only 15 year loans (which affect cash flow, so not preferable). I think this may be because I've been going through and looking at conventional loans and I need someone who specializes in commercial loans. Any tips? I've only ever gotten standard / conventional mortgages previously. 

Post: NC Smoky Mountains Short Term Rentals

Nick ReuterPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 42

We bought a place in banner elk last September. Blow away all expectations, it's in a rental program and I'm thrilled with how it's performing. I'm looking to get a 2nd place now. 

Post: Mortgage Broker recommendations in High Country

Nick ReuterPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 42

Hi all,

I live in FL (primary home), and we have a STR property (that our family uses a lot as well) in Banner Elk, NC. We bought this property last September.

I'm looking at purchasing an additional STR property, also in the High Country. This will also be a combo investment / personal use home.

I have around ~10 - 15% of the estimated purchase price of the 2nd STR property available in liquid funds (towards a down payment) and a HELOC on Primary home which could cover the balance of down payment up to 20 or even 30% if necessary. It should cash flow positive with a cap rate around ~9% (conservative estimates, could be as high as 13 / 14%, not including principal paydown).

Anyway. I'm trying to figure out financing for this 2nd property. I've called a few lenders and have hit a few walls. Some are tight on DTI because they won't count income from our 1st STR until we have had it for 2 years (even though I have 5 years of rental income history from previous owner). Other lenders are saying that investment property products are only 15 year loans (which affect cash flow, so not preferable). I think this may be because I've been going through and looking at conventional loans and I need someone who specializes in commercial loans.

Post: Best Software for Short Sales

Nick ReuterPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 42

Everyone has their own needs. Some people who do 1 short sale a year can handle paper transactions. I think it gets helpful when you get bigger to have a system, much like you do in any other industry. I'm always the first to say you have to determine what's best for you and what your needs are ;)

Post: Influencing the BPO

Nick ReuterPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 42

Interesting. when ever you hear someone mention "stories", it always piques your interest to know what those stories are :) (at least it does to me!)

Post: First Deal Sugguestions Short Sale

Nick ReuterPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 42

Interesting


2. Since it is two-story, is a majority of rental pool thirty-five and under? Generally, you will for 35 and up prefer single-story.

I've never experienced this in New England, where almost every single home is 2 stories. There are very, very few ranch style houses up this way.

Post: Hardship Letters

Nick ReuterPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Bradenton, FL
  • Posts 99
  • Votes 42

I wrote this blog post almost a year ago:

A well-crafted and ironclad hardship letter is probably one of the biggest components to getting a short sale approval from the bank. Without clear description of the dire straights the borrower finds themselves in, no lender will willingly short the loan. So how do you go about writing a letter that will get the banks attention? Whether you are writing your own letter or helping a homeowner write a letter, here are some things to consider:
1. The Reasons for the Hardship

Be CLEAR about what your hardship reasons are! It could be a number of things, including (but certainly not limited to)

* Loss of a job
* Illness
* ARM adjustment
* Property tax hike
* Divorce

In any case, you first need to compile and assess what the most compelling reasons for hardship are. Put yourself in the bank’s position as a lender. If there is a way you can make the mortgage payment,they are not going to allow a short on the loan. So be very clear what circumstances have are making it impossible to keep up with the mortgage payment.
2. Be Specific about your Hardship

Once you have established your reasons for hardship, you need to put in the effort to understand how that hardship has impacted you specifically. For example;

* Job loss, and family income has dropped by $2400 per month
* Medical Bills due to “Xâ€, which total over $50,000
* A divorce which puts child support and alimony burdens of $1200 per month
* My ARM has increased my mortgage payment by $800 per month

Secondly, you need to demonstrate how this hardship impacts your ability to make a mortgage payment. If you make $8,000 a month and your mortgage went from $1000 per month to $1500 per month; good luck getting them to approve a short sale! You need to show how the hardship pushed you outside of your ability to make the payment.

Banks often think of mortgage payments in terms of percent of gross income, so you might consider using this. Let’s demonstrate with an example. Assume your mortgage payment is $1700 per month. Your household income was $5000 a month and then you lost your job, and the new household income is $2200. This means that your mortgage payment went from a reasonable 34% of your income to a whopping 77% of your income. Any bank will look at that number and say, “Yikes!â€
3. Gather supporting information and Market Conditions

Think about circumstances outside of your own that are impacting your market area. Remember, the bank will want to be certain other options have been exhausted – such as selling your house. You will need to show that this is also not an available option. This can be done by doing things like:

* Showing a recent appraisal of your home
* Understanding comparable sales and the general market in your area
* Itemizing pieces of disrepair on the house that negatively impact the properties market value (i.e. an old roof or broken A/C unit)
* If the house is on the market, how long it has been one

4. Writing the Letter

ONE PAGE ONLY! Make sure you keep it concise – no lender wants to read a 4-page hardship letter. Get it into a single page!

Keep it in easy to read paragraph format.

The layout of your letter should look something like:

1. At the top of the letter, put the bank’s name and address. You might want to address it directly to the loss mitigation department. Each bank has unique ways of handling transactions so it helps to do some research ahead of time.
2. In the RE: line, put in “Request for Short Saleâ€, and your loan number
3. Your first paragraph should describe what happened briefly and make it clear you are unable to afford the mortgage. Don’t be ambiguous here – you can’t afford it!
1. RIGHT: “My family has gone through significant hardships recently that make it impossible for me to afford my mortgage.
2. WRONG: “I recently lost my job and we have had to cut out cable TV and gourmet dinners…. it’s getting really tough to afford our payments!
4. Your second paragraph should talk about the market conditions that have driven down your home value
5. 3rd and possibly 4th paragraphs are details, details, details. Use the information you gathered up above to make your case more clearly.
6. Closing a- restate that you cannot afford the mortgage, and there are no other options besides a short sale.
7. Make sure to sign and date the letter, and include your own contact information.

5. Distribute!

Send the letter to the appropriate party (bank, attorney, investor, or real estate agent you are working with).

Once the letter is with the bank, you can feel confident that you built the best possible case towards convincing the bank to accept a short sale!

I've never been a fan of any "template" letters. It's gotta be personal and honest. You can smell templates a mile away.

That said, there are the "standard" things you should incorporate, and Scott hit those in hist post

-Intro
-Description of hardship
-back it up, back it up , back it up
-close