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All Forum Posts by: Sheena R Roth

Sheena R Roth has started 7 posts and replied 58 times.

Post: House Hacking a Duplex or Triplex ?

Sheena R RothPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Canton, OH
  • Posts 59
  • Votes 77
Quote from @Joe Gilroy:

Thank you Sheena !   I appreciate your help !    Is there a map that shows where Perry and Plain school districts are ?      and what does LSD stand for ?   

https://opendata.starkcountyoh...

LSD = Local School District 

Unfortunately, each school district is not necessarily its own ZIP Code or ”city” so it’s tough to filter on some platforms. 

However, every MLS listing will report within which school district a property is located. Any agent can set up a drip e-mail campaign for you filtered by school district. 

Post: House Hacking a Duplex or Triplex ?

Sheena R RothPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Canton, OH
  • Posts 59
  • Votes 77

We have 6 duplexes in the Canton area, I stick to 4 school districts: Perry, Plain, North Canton and Jackson. The latter two are definitely out of your price range. You can probably find an up/down duplex in Perry or Plain townships for $150k or less, especially now that the market is softening. My advice would be to stay out of Canton LSD even though it will look extremely affordable, you probably won’t want to live there. 

Post: Sending regular reports/statements to private investors?

Sheena R RothPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Canton, OH
  • Posts 59
  • Votes 77
Quote from @Marc Sinnott:

Alternatively, if anyone knows of an existing forum thread that covers this topic, please point me in the right direction! I have tried searching the forums but haven't been able to find specific posts on this.

Thanks again!


Marc - I know this post was from a few years ago, but I've also been searching for some inspiration on this topic and am coming up empty, so I figured I'd reach out to see if you eventually came across any helpful info during your search, or did you just create your own system from scratch...?

The lack of feedback here seems a little bizarre considering a sizable portion of the BP community must be reporting some kind of financial snapshot or portfolio performance to private investors / LPs on a regular basis. Maybe everyone's just too shy to share their method? 

Post: Property Management Software - DoorLoop

Sheena R RothPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Canton, OH
  • Posts 59
  • Votes 77
Quote from @Nickalaus A Goodman:
Quote from @David Bitton:
Quote from @Sheena R Roth:

I just got notified that this post is active again so I figured I'd post a follow up. I have 29 units right now, I was looking at DoorLoop when I was at 17 units. I ended up going with a software called Innago for the property management - which we use in conjunction with Stessa for the bookkeeping. Innago does everything that we need it to: communicate with tenants, listings, applications, leases, maintenance requests, invoicing, and rent collection... I really like how simple and clean the invoice formatting is.

It's really not a big deal for us to keep the books outside of the PM software. 

The customer service at Innago is really great too. 


Hey Sheena, thanks for adding your experience here. The goal for DoorLoop is to reduce the number of apps you use so you won't need a separate bookkeeping software like Stessa or QuickBooks. We want to reduce the amount of double-data entry you need to do and save you time and money on multiple programs and licenses. If you love QuickBooks, we also offer a direct sync and integration.

Thank you again for the feedback!

 @Sheena do you feel that there is enough within Innago on sourcing new tenants?  I have Short Term Units and I am concerned they might not have the short term market aligned. 


Interesting question Nickalaus. I also have a short term rental within my portfolio and I have never considered sourcing leads for that unit through Innago or any other traditional PM software for that matter. 
For our truly short term leads we use Airbnb and solicitation direct bookings outside of the Airbnb platform when we can. 
For midterm bookings (1-3 months) we list on Furnished Finder and market the property in Facebook groups designed for travel medical professionals and landlords to connect. 

Hope that helps!

Post: Property Management Software - DoorLoop

Sheena R RothPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Canton, OH
  • Posts 59
  • Votes 77

I just got notified that this post is active again so I figured I'd post a follow up. I have 29 units right now, I was looking at DoorLoop when I was at 17 units. I ended up going with a software called Innago for the property management - which we use in conjunction with Stessa for the bookkeeping. Innago does everything that we need it to: communicate with tenants, listings, applications, leases, maintenance requests, invoicing, and rent collection... I really like how simple and clean the invoice formatting is.

It's really not a big deal for us to keep the books outside of the PM software. 

The customer service at Innago is really great too. 

Post: Sweet 80 year old tenant can’t afford rent

Sheena R RothPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Canton, OH
  • Posts 59
  • Votes 77

@Jane S. Hi Jane Yes we did look at the rent rolls. We did see something weird. One tenant was paying way below market rents. We did inquire about it, the lady has been living there 20 years without a rent raise. Yes we did tour and inspect the units. Yes we also did read the leases and when they expire.

This unit is a part of a 6 building package purchase with 12 units total in one of our area’s best school districts. I guess you could say that this purchase is the answer to our dream to deploy some capital we have from a previous sale to shelter it from inflation and continue to grow our long term rental portfolio in a high quality neighborhood.

No there are no other tenants with rents as low as hers. Luckily, even though this landlord didn’t believe in raising rents on existing tenants, he did bring rent up to market when he had tenant turnovers.

Good luck with your rental portfolio. It sounds like a better venture than your retail days :)

Post: Sweet 80 year old tenant can’t afford rent

Sheena R RothPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Canton, OH
  • Posts 59
  • Votes 77

@Joshuam Rivera Wow this is a really neat approach. I love it. Thanks so much for posting. This is exactly the type of creative solution I was hoping the bp community would come up with when I posted!

Post: Sweet 80 year old tenant can’t afford rent

Sheena R RothPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Canton, OH
  • Posts 59
  • Votes 77

@Jonathan R McLaughlin thanks for these ideas Jonathan.

I have not sat down with her yet to have the serious conversation about raising rents yet. Hopefully you’re right and she can actually afford more than she initially suggested.

I posted on here beforehand while I’m preparing for the conversation with her so that I can bring all of the ideas like yours to the table when she and I meet.

And you are right that it’s easy to assume older people aren’t self sufficient, I would prepare for this conversation the same way if I sensed that a younger tenant had some vulnerability that might make it hard for them to research their options on their own. When it comes down to it, people are a big part of our business :)

Thanks again!

Post: Sweet 80 year old tenant can’t afford rent

Sheena R RothPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Canton, OH
  • Posts 59
  • Votes 77

@Paul Camuto Hi Paul. We are buying because this is only one unit in a package purchase of 6 buildings that makes a whole lot of sense for us otherwise.

Also, I am more than willing to deal with it, that’s precisely why I came to BP to seek ideas from our community of highly experienced landlords. :)

Post: Sweet 80 year old tenant can’t afford rent

Sheena R RothPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Canton, OH
  • Posts 59
  • Votes 77
Quote from @Jack Smith:

Hi Sheena, 

The real problem most folks off on this thread don’t get is it’s Canton, Ohio you’re talking about, not Florida or anywhere else.  Stark Metro HA, like many LHAs in the state, typically has a waiting list of years - yes, that’s plural, to get a HCV.  And even if they should open up the list again and gets one sooner, don’t expect to get even close to market rate.  
 
The real underlying problem is this area has experienced a very stable market since the Great Recession and many people around here haven’t seen the great increase in standard /cost of living the rest of the country has experienced over the past 10 or so years.  So locals here were suddenly shocked by the impact the housing shortage has had, along with the inflation that has suddenly brought us into the 2020’s, all seemingly over night.  I’ve had many long term tenants that are very compliant all of a sudden when we announce substantial rent increases, that even five short years ago nobody could’ve fathomed.  Why?  Because once they see what it costs to move to a new place they recognize they don’t have it all that bad after all… 

But elderly are the worst to go through this as they’re generally still in a 1950’s mindset and many are also on fixed incomes.  Mental deterioration is a reality as well, like it or not, and that doesn’t get any easier with time. It can be the beginning of a longer and only more difficult road.  I just went through this last year with one of these “nice little old ladies” - “someone’s grandma” that was the most vile, meanest, vicious person I’ve ever dealt with.  So don’t anyone play that freaking card as people can suck at any age.  The reality is most of us don’t age gracefully.  

To me you got two options - take the deal and immediately give her notice rent is going up to market rate.  Either suddenly in some way she’ll be able to pay it or she finds a more appropriate place to live for her situation.  The other option is to just pass on the deal, and kick yourself many times later for missing out on an additional property. 

Good luck.   


I was surprised to just recently learn that it's much easier to get a section 8 voucher in other areas. I just assumed that a long and/or closed waiting list was typical. 

This unit is part of a 12-unit package deal that overall checks off a bunch of boxes on our wish list, and the other 11 units are already rented much higher than this one, so we're going to proceed with the purchase regardless of how things unfold with the little old lady :) 

Thanks for your comments Jack!