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All Forum Posts by: Skye Anderson

Skye Anderson has started 6 posts and replied 62 times.

Originally posted by @Craig Bellot:

If your long-term goal is to invest in more properties it is worth it to invest in a solid property manager.

Your time as an investor is infinitely better spent analyzing markets and deals. 

You want to move up the 80/20 leverage curve from technician to investor/entrepreneur.

In Bridgeport, Connecticut and many other markets the investment is about 10% of rents collected which frees you from taking resident phone calls, coordinating maintenance, leasing vacancies, accounting P&L's, conducting inspections and making property payments.

Owners often times suffer from "death by 100 cuts" when having to handle all of these small items, missing opportunities to achieve bigger goals.

Obviously this needs to be figured into your numbers before you purchase the property. 

 Love this, Craig. Thanks for sharing!

Originally posted by @Bob Prisco:

@Skye Anderson why discouraged, so it takes a month to get it filled, and 1 month fee. This is norm, most are 8% but this is norm. . What other choice do you have if you are investing out of state ? 

Feeling much less discouraged now that I’m seeing the bigger picture!

Originally posted by @Megan Phillips:

On one of the podcasts someone mentioned that they actually pay the PM company a higher fee when they get tenants to renew rather than turn over the units, it's an incentive to keep tenants as opposed to having a vacancy period and all that. Not a bad idea because everyone gets more money.

 I love that Megan! Thanks for sharing. 💕

Originally posted by @Joel Owens:

Skye first determine if you are even interested in being a residential landlord investor. Very few investors actually like that niche of real estate. There are literally tons of different ways to invest in real estate without being a residential landlord.

Some investors just do not have the personality to do their own management or listen to residential renters BS all day long about their life problems and how they can't pay the rent or pay it partially. The investors  income to generate off of a property can be a huge life stressor and can potentially bleed over into other aspects of your life.

It fits some people's personalities and others can't stand it. It wasn't for me. I stay on the commercial real estate investment side now and love it although it does take more capital.

If you do buy the single unit house make sure you are not ALL IN compared to your net worth and liquidity. Example if you make 200k a year and are worth 500k then buying a 100k house with 25 down isn't usually the end of the world if you take a small loss taking a chance. It's all about risk/reward. 

On the 4,000 renter per month that is way on the other end of the spectrum from 750 a month renter. Different Universe entirely as to the tenant quality. Most people paying 4,000 a month have degrees and are highly educated. They are usually more adept at problem solving skills, balancing budgets, etc. Not always but on a percentage of the time basis this can be true.

On the flip side tenants paying low rent many do not have a high school diploma, have had very hard lives with lot's of trauma to deal with, live very hard in the units, have a hard time problem solving or balancing a monthly budget to pay bills. Now again are there exceptions sure there are but percentage wise a big majority in this rent range have one or more of the issues listed above. A property manager or owner- investor generally has to do a lot of hand holding to keep that asset type performing on a daily basis.

Thanks Joel! Definitely not interested in being a property manager. Loving all the information that is being shared. Lots of food for thought!

Originally posted by @Reece Register:

@Jason D. Is very accurate. @Skye Anderson Your property management company should be talking more about their renewal rate of tenants. If on average their tenants renew for 2-4 years your goals will line up. The goal is cash flow not just to collect rent. A good property management company will know this process. 

 Thanks Reece!

Originally posted by @Max Householder:

@Skye Anderson IMO, quibbling over the cost of management (within reason) is letting a dime hold up a dollar. Like a previous poster said, when you get to 10, 20, 30 units you're not going to care about that 10% fee coming off the top or one monthly rent dropping off for a leasing fee every few months. It feels painful early on when you only have a few units, especially if they are vacant when you acquire the property, but just remember this is a get rich SLOWLY game, so try to keep at least some of your perspective in terms of years as long as that lines up with your goals. As you grow, whether it takes 3 weeks or 6 weeks to turn over a unit won't matter in the long run if you place a quality, well-vetted tenant. It seems that most new investors think management is just getting a lease signed and handing over keys, but it's hours of thankless phone calls, showings, paperwork, bill pay, and data entry to get to the point of basically just cashing rent checks.

 Thanks Max. Great points! 

Originally posted by @Jacqueline Carrington:

As a property manager of an apartment complex, and also an owner of a rental which is now out of state, I choose to self manage if possible and delegate as necessary. However, that involves establishing a network of trustworthy, reliable people in the location you'll be investing.

Maybe take a trip and network through Bigger pockets and go set up meetings with specific people you'll need to have to self manage out of state.

Because of the need I saw in the market with a select group of real estate professionals, I launched a business recently for their specific, yet smaller daily tasks. 

 Love it Jacqueline!

Originally posted by @Kelly Rastatter:
Originally posted by @Joel Owens:

2 more points I did not see really covered that much.

1. What a property management company might charge depends on area and quality of tenant. For example I have friends that do property management. If a property is a 400k house in an upscale area with high income and low crime the property manager is typically dealing with well educated tenants and more stable with incomes. They might manage for 8% in those cases as they have less headache and make more off of higher rents.

The average rental with maybe 1,000 plus rents might pose an average headache to manage so they do 10% of rents.

The stuff in questionable or low income areas for most investors expecting 10% to be charged is a pipe dream. It will take a special type of PM to manage those tenants and likely much more ongoing wear and tear to the unit with repair calls and slow to pay the rent if at all. The PM might have to make multiple trips to collect rent, eviction notices, etc. Some of the good PM companies in that range because rent is low and headache is high they charge 12 to 14% fees.

If investor thinks they will buy some old dumpy house in the hood for high cash flow, with little to no headache-repairs, and a PM to take it on for 8% they are a dreamer and need to come back to Earth.

Investors tend to have all of these thoughts that are not founded in reality. Sometimes they just do not have the experience to know what the reality will likely be owning these assets. That is why getting involved in your local real estate association and listening to the REALITIES of experience of others in your local market can be gold to learn from. There you can match up your thoughts and ideas with real world case studies and see ( what is the property, the area, the tenant, investor mistakes) that made a property lose money, break even, or do very well.

2. Residential most agents are focused on making SALES.  Think about this. Most brokers or agents are not principal brokers who own their companies. They typically are working for a brokerage even if they have a sub-company. So right off the bat they have a split with their brokerage before business costs and taxes to pay. The first year newly licensed agents about 80% fail the first year. Within 5 years time the remaining 20% the first year about 80% of those have now failed. So if you start out with 1,000 agents and 80% fail the first year there is 200 left. In 5 years out of the 200 maybe 40 have survived. So think of that out of 1,000 getting licensed maybe 40 in 5 years are thriving and doing well. This is one of the toughest professions in the world to be highly successful but I love the challenge on the commercial real estate side as it makes me improve every single day.   

Most of these agents live hand to mouth and are living off of any revenue they can bring in. The national average income in residential for agents might be 30k or something and 50k for brokers. Remember there are a lot of part timers and higher income earners that can misalign the real averages. Also agent retention rates are higher right now as it is top of the cycle markets in most parts of the country and a mediocre agent who can fog a glass can possibly generate a sale. A lot of the herd will be thinned again when the next down cycle happens. The same will happen for investors that get lucky a few times in a rising market to make a buck but do not have sound business principals and processes for long term plans to thrive in any market cycle conditions. I saw this in the last downturn in 2007. Investors were overconfident, businesses were expanding everywhere and anywhere without as much though to location, brokers and agents were making great money so they were taking trips, buying cars, bigger houses, etc. Then the train slowed or went off the tracks completely in many markets and all of those were caught by surprise.

In residential many of these brokers or agents when approached to do property management might take it thinking it is small money but easy money in between transaction sales. Nothing could be further from the truth. When there are no sales happening for the agent they might be hyper focused on the investors rental because they need that 75 bucks or 100 that month. As soon as that sale comes along where they can get THOUSANDS then the focus on your property and time involvement starts to dwindle heavily. Communication becomes less and problems with the tenant can increase. The agent is trying to HIT IT BIG with the sale. They could make in one sale what they could make in 3 years managing the investors rental property and dealing with a tenant.

So with residential brokers and agents there are very few who ACTUALLY ENJOY property management. It is key to ask qualifying and discovery questions to the potential management company such as:   

- Do you focus on property management only or sales also?

- Do you actually enjoy property management? If yes. What about it specifically do you enjoy?

- How do you communicate to the investor and in what time frame when a problem arises? What specific processes do you have in place?

- Do you have multiple references from other investor clients that have been with your company for years that I can talk to? 

- Do you charge actual cost for repairs or do you have built in bonuses to your company for referrals to outside vendors?

There are tons of other questions to ask but one of the most important to me is if they are passionate about what they do instead of the rate they charge. The cheapest rate from a PM doing volume or one that can't stand the work and is just trying to make money can make your property lose tons of money. I have rarely seen a PM company on the residential side that LOVES doing that. If you find a good one treat them like GOLD. There are many brokers/agents/property management companies out there that are a dime a dozen. The high level quality companies and professionals however are very rare which is why they can be in HIGH demand and do not work for cheap fees. One important factor evaluating purchasing a property for rental investment factor is the PM fees. Some investors in the beginning factor out that cost to massage the numbers to talk themselves into buying a certain property as they are frustrated finding deals so start bending their underwriting criteria. This is a huge mistake as then when you no longer want to manage a property or you need to scale that fee was not accounted for so now you might have a break even property  or negative income after PM fees.

@Skye Anderson

In addition to the questions Joel mentioned, there are 2 great questionnaires in the fileplace. You should start there when screening a property manager.  https://www.biggerpockets.com/files/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=property+manager 

 Thanks Kelly!

Originally posted by @Kristen Ray:

@Skye Anderson

You have several options depending on the location of the property.

1. Hire a local agent to assist with showing the property and tenant screening. Often, they are willing to do a quarterly walk-through and provide feedback for a fee. Some agents will do this at a reduced fee if you line up the showings, and do your own tenant screenings and they are there to open the door and lock up. You can use a software platform to have tenants fill out the application, pay the application fee, and run background checks. You can do your due diligence remotely if you set up the systems ahead of time.

2. Hire a local handy-man for maintenance and turnover issues. Get someone who will send you photos, videos and receipts. You can pay them online. 

3. Your tenant can contact you with concerns and you can deploy the appropriate team member. 

This will help with some of the costs. Often, I do not find it profitable to hire a FT property management service. I do not collect cash so the tenants either mail a money order, fill out the direct deposit form, pay online or are voucher tenants. You can hire an eviction service company when that need arises. As others have mentioned there are always holding costs involved. Always budget a few extra dollars into the monthly rate to account for vacancy and maintenance. I hope this helps.

 Thanks Kristen. Great suggestions!

Originally posted by @Kenny Dahill:

Lots of sound points in this thread.  I think your best option is to solicit bids from multiple management firms and then decide which one aligns best with your interest.  Or perhaps you just need tenant placement and self-manage the rest.

 Thanks Kenny! Love Burbz! Best of luck with the launch.