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All Forum Posts by: Shawn C.

Shawn C. has started 5 posts and replied 16 times.

Quote from @Wes D.:

Hi Shawn, I use KeyCheck's lease agreement (and lease addendum, as needed), and background screenings. I haven't felt the need to verify employment; I figure that if they have good credit with multiple lines in good standing--and no evictions--they've demonstrated their ability to pay on time. Once they're near the end of the lease, I request a forwarding address to return the deposit.

So far, so good.

Best of luck,

Wes

 Awesome, thank you @Wes D.!

Hello MTR landlords!

I've decided to use KeyCheck for my MTR listing on FurnishedFinder, and I understand that KC offers criminal background check, credit report, and eviction history. I'm going to have an attorney review my lease agreement, but all the documentation that I have came with my BiggerPockets MANAGING RENTAL PROPERTIES book a few years ago, pre-pandemic...and it's a lot.

For those using KeyCheck for their MTR listings, did you also find that additional documentation was needed, besides the 3 key things that KC provides?  For example, there's an Employment Verification Form, Forwarding Address Form for Deposit Refund, and so forth, that you can request your tenant to fill out.

I want to make sure I'm not missing anything (as well as protecting myself) but also don't want to over-burden the tenant.  And it seems like I have to decide which KC plan to purchase before I can look at the documents that are available.

Does anyone have suggestions on additional documents that are a "must" for my situation?

Thank you!

Quote from @Kim Allen:

Hi Shawn,

Thank you for the question, I have the same one and am in the process of researching insurance options. I am also listing a room (MTR) in my primary residence in California. I was wondering if adding an umbrella policy might be a solution. I'd love to hear if you have some success in finding something that works.

Thanks!

 Hi @Kim Allen,

So far, a few of the insurance options that were suggested weren't viable for me because of different reasons, i.e. Safeco won't take the Owner-occupied risk in CA, same for Steadily, etc.  

I got a quote from Proper Insurance, which was a commercial package since it's considered STR (less than 6 months). It was expensive but included commercial liability, premises liability, alcohol, a bed bug extension if needed, and so forth. This is also impacted by how old your home is, so that was likely a factor for me.

From what I can gather, it's best to increase my personal liability for now and require the tenant to get renter's insurance to secure their own belongings.  I am thinking of doing that until my current HOI comes up for renewal in January.  I am going to check one more company to get a quote.

But please let me know if you find anything relevant for CA.

Good luck!

Quote from @Rene Hosman:
Quote from @Shawn C.:

Thanks, @Rene Hosman! I'll look into NREIG, just to verify that shared-home is not covered. Also, I will touch base with my current home owners insurance co but I'm curious about the scenario you laid out (requiring renter's insurance + advising home owner insurance that you have another person in the dwelling) -- did this suffice for you because you chose higher liability coverage?

For me personally, it sufficed to have my "normal" homeowner coverage and require renters to get their own. I wasn't required to have higher liability coverage and I didn't choose to do so but something to talk with an insurance broker about!
When you purchased your home, did you work with a good agent who was investor friendly and knowledgable?
If so I would reach out to your agent and ask if they have any good investor friendly insurance broker referrals so you can have someone doing this kind of work for you and just presenting you with options!

 Thank you @Rene Hosman!

Quote from @Allen Duan:
Quote from @Shawn C.:

Thanks for the feedback, @Allen Duan! I hadn't planned on using Airbnb or VRBO, but I suppose this could change depending on my progress using Furnished Finder. I'd been hoping to not "go overboard" since it's just an owner-occupied house hack in a SFH so it sounds like I *could* keep things simple.

This isn't so much about the software but I saw you're active in LA; did you find that the templatized leases via KeyCheck/Rocket Lawyer suited your MTRs? 

Using Airbnb isn't going overboard =) It really comes down to how much you need the income, and hence how important it is you get eyes on your listing so you actually get bookings. It doesn't make a difference whether you're on-site or living elsewhere. That makes a bigger impact on being able to self manage rather than hire help.

I don't use the lease from KeyCheck. I took a standard CA long term rental lease and had an attorney make some changes for mid term rentals.

Happy to help any way I can. MTRs in SoCal are my thing =)

 Ok got it, @Allen Duan. I've been watching YT videos about what to do when you don't get enough inquiries via FF...I'm still finishing up some improvements at my place so I haven't listed it yet.

I've asked a family member who is an RE attorney (but does not have experience with STR/MTRs) to look over my lease. However, it sounds like I should pay someone to review so that it accommodates any possible MTR issues. No idea if you had one or multiple, but would you happen to have a rec for someone? Please feel free to DM here on BP me if that's more appropriate. Thank you so much!

Quote from @Shannon Strickland:

Hey @Shawn C.,

My real estate attorney is very aware of squatters' tactics in Virginia, which is why we were advised to collect rent weekly. So far, we have only hosted traveling medical professionals (TMP) while we live in and rent out part of our single-family home (house hack). Some TMPs told me they were tired of paying online travel agency fees and were happy to find Furnished Finder.

 I see, thank you @Shannon Strickland. I'm sure the struggles by which the TMPs finally discover Furnished Finder is a whole other post!

Thanks for the feedback, @Allen Duan! I hadn't planned on using Airbnb or VRBO, but I suppose this could change depending on my progress using Furnished Finder. I'd been hoping to not "go overboard" since it's just an owner-occupied house hack in a SFH so it sounds like I *could* keep things simple.

This isn't so much about the software but I saw you're active in LA; did you find that the templatized leases via KeyCheck/Rocket Lawyer suited your MTRs? 

Quote from @Shannon Strickland:

Hi @Shawn C.,

I have been using RentRedi (RR) to manage our only medium-term rental (MTR) property for over a year. I recently considered switching to KeyCheck but decided to stick with RR for two important reasons: 1) RR allows for weekly rent collection, which is recommended by my real estate attorney, and 2) RR has lower credit card processing fees for tenants. My local real estate attorney made significant changes to the state-specific lease I originally had to accommodate the unique situation of house-hacking and county laws. I was shocked at what I didn't know and am relieved now. Looking back, I'm grateful that Ashley Kerr recommended RR during the Rookie Bootcamp, and that I followed her advice. I'm also relieved that I hired a local real estate attorney to help create a county-specific, legal MTR agreement for our house-hacking situation. In addition, the attorney informed me that short-term rentals (STR) are illegal in my county, so that will not be an exit strategy for me. As a result, my Furnished Finder calendar looks promising for travelers seeking a genuine MTR experience in my area.

Hopefully that helps.

 Thanks, @Shannon Strickland! That's interesting that your attorney advised that you go with weekly rental collection. I hadn't heard that previously anywhere else. Were you targeting traveling professionals in particular for your house hack, and if so, was it a SFH or a duplex type situation?

Great, thanks, @John Steffen!  Also wondering if you've noticed any difference in booking success when using shorter leases? I don't know what yours looks like but in my own renting experience, they tended to be on the shorter side.  

However, as a landlord, obviously I want to include as many terms as possible to spell out what is and isn't required.

Thanks again for your insights!

Hi House-hackers,

I've seen different advice about software that MTR folks should be using but it seems like the suggestions are based on people having multiple properties they're managing, both as STR and/or MTR.

I'm starting out and am hoping to get a tenant via Furnished Finder. I had plans to do this years ago, and when the lockdown happened, it came to a halt.  So I have a lease from back then, but it was written for a 12-month LTR tenant.  There's language that covers all manner of possible issues, and it's 6 pages long, so I'm reviewing again since I'm looking to do MTR now.

Considering I'd "only house-hack" right now for MTR, does anyone have advice about whether or not KeyCheck would be enough for all my house-hacking needs as an owner-occupied landlord, especially in terms of the leases offered and other necessary requirements (credit/background check, Docu-Sign, Online payment)?

Thank you!