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All Forum Posts by: Shane Crockett

Shane Crockett has started 9 posts and replied 43 times.

Post: Lenders love my DSCR and rent rolls, but hate my LLC!

Shane Crockett
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 16

I'm under contract on a $2M STR investment property with great rent performance, above 1.25 DCSR, and room for growth, but my investors are $50-75k/ea on a $500k raise so there's going to be 7 of us and lenders don't like it. I can't really trim my investor count down to the lender desired < 4, and I'm not sure getting the investors to form a separate LLC just to pool the capital is going to fly either.

Any creative strategies or best practices in this type of situation? Or anyone know a more flexible lender who looks at the DCSR and performance metrics more than number of investors in the LLC?

Post: STR Investors in Washington

Shane Crockett
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Michael Baum:

But if it was a 5-plex+, entirely different story, right? 
Not necessarily. FHA loans allow the purchase of up to a 5 plex as owner occupied.

What you can do is simply call up a lender. Tell them you want to know about a 12 unit apartment. Tell them it has an excellent rental history but is pretty much the same as other in the area, but you want to pay 30% more for it because it has a great history.

Find out if they will lend on it based on that criteria. I am not talking about tangible things like newer construction, better area, all new updates to roof and hard systems. I am talking about simply because it has good rental history.

I would be curious to their answer. Maybe I will call around on Monday to see what some lenders say. None that I know or work with, random folks, and post it in a new thread.

Traditional lenders wont use this approach, so perhaps I need to update my question so that it's framed in the appropriate context.

I want to find investors, not traditional lenders, not banks, etc, but investors with a more innovative approach looking for high performing STR opportunities to scoop up. P/E money bought Airdna, Alternative Asset Management Company bought AvantStay, and there is a growing number of wall street investors looking to park more money into the growing asset class of high performing STRs.

The problem as I see it, is those investors want to buy high performing STRs, and I am great at finding them to wholesale, so there's a need to be met if only I knew them and they knew me :)

Post: MF STRs and NOI / CAP Property Valuation

Shane Crockett
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Luke Carl:

Single family is never valued based on rental income. 

Multifamily STR is called a hotel. So do some research on hotels.

You’re making it too complicated :) thanks for posting! 


There are several companies out there who BRRRR single family dwellings into high performing STRs, then package multiple together and sell to investors based on NOI and CAP. I understand this does not happen in the consumer world, it's definitely happening in the institutional spaces which would undermine your "never" assumption.

Post: STR Investors in Washington

Shane Crockett
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Sarah Kensinger:

Reach out to @christopher price....he is in the Seattle area and may have some contacts for you.


 Hi Sarah, thanks for the recommendation.  How would I get in touch with Christopher?

Post: The future of RE investing - 5 and 10 year outlook

Shane Crockett
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 16

This is why STRs are a great investment class - the world is going to **** and individual mental health depends on more time spent away from cell phones, computer screens, and television sets. No surprise P/E and Hedge Funds and others have already identified the growth in STRs and started pouring money into the space, namely through tech firms, data firms, and STR management companies, but the portfolios of STR rental assets is growing too!

And yes, Bitcoin FTW!

Post: STR Investors in Washington

Shane Crockett
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 16

 Where are these deals? :) 


Less people are looking right now so they seem to be popping up more and more :) I also use a somewhat different analysis model to determine how suppressed NOI might be from subpar PM performance or exorbitant PM cost structure(s).

Let's chat more if you're interested, I'm always eager to meet more people in this space.

Post: MF STRs and NOI / CAP Property Valuation

Shane Crockett
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 16

I should have also indicated - the property in question is the classic example which totes that line of residential/commercial, ie, a 4-plex. It's technically residential and qualifies for resi loan products, but the valuation math and other KPIs involved are always the standard found in CRE; NOI, CAP, GRM, etc.

Some Banks will offer CRE loans for 4-plexes, some will not. Some investors will buy based on NOI and CAP, others will not. So I am wondering if there are more concrete guidelines within the RE and/or investor communities around this, or if it's still simply a nuanced topic which depends entirely on who you're talking to.

Post: STR Investors in Washington

Shane Crockett
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 16
So you are suggesting a 4-plex worth $2M producing $100K NOI is worth the same as a very similar 4-plex next door producing $200K NOI? 

Post: MF STRs and NOI / CAP Property Valuation

Shane Crockett
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 16

Are there hard and fast rules around valuation math for STRs? Some like standard NOI and CAP, others believe it's a hybrid approach which also requires comps, others believe it's still just comps (which I personally dont agree with).

But regardless what I believe or have heard, I am curious what the community is seeing or hearing about how to value STRs, what investors are looking for from an STR perspective, formuals used, etc. Are single family STRs valued using NOI and CAP, or does it need to be a MF STR? Are investors looking for individual STRs of either flavor, or is the appetite for larger portfolios of multiple STR assets? I am eager to understand the perspective of others with more experience in this space, so anything is helpful and appreciated!

Post: Creative way to find good wholesalers in my area?

Shane Crockett
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Greg Stetz:

Looking for some strategies to locate good wholesalers that understand numbers (I know… hard to find) that I can possibly work with helping them find buyers in my area. I‘d like to bring deals to my investor buyers and possibly JV.


I am amazing with numbers and would love to see what your investors are looking for in Florida. My sweet spot is vacation rentals and assessing highest and best performance in various markets, looking at NOI vs CAP, evaluating acquisition, expenses, exit strategy, and modelling for various scenarios with a near infinite number of levers we can tweak to account for any nuance in any variable.

While I am here in Washington State, I have done pro forma modelling and REI analysis in various markets across the country, and would be happy to look at your ideal investment profile to see if it's something I might be able to help with.