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All Forum Posts by: Seth M. Jones

Seth M. Jones has started 5 posts and replied 76 times.

Post: What is your favorite quote??

Seth M. JonesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Port Orange, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 43

"Things may come to those who wait... but only the things left by those who hustle" -Abraham Lincoln

Post: Asset Allocation Discussion (Real Estate/Cash/Stocks & Bonds)

Seth M. JonesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Port Orange, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 43

@Bobby Shell, I have a very similar approach, except since I'm self employed it is just IRAs, and I also have a REIT. I keep one RE account with 10x the total monthly expenses... but I also dip into this account when making new purchases, so it can get much lower... though with all RE cashflow going through it, it refills pretty quickly, and it makes it a bit easier to track the RE business performance for my accountant

Post: Asset Allocation Discussion (Real Estate/Cash/Stocks & Bonds)

Seth M. JonesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Port Orange, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 43

@Jonathan R., I know that people of all experience levels read these threads, so please forgive me, but I have to question your statements... If money is "fake", why focus on cashflow? Additionally, to piggyback on the thoughts of J.L. Collins, if the financial system collapses, does it really matter what our hedge is? I mean we are essentially talking about going back to the barter system, but how valuable is gold and silver in that system? More valuable than food? 

Post: Asset Allocation Discussion (Real Estate/Cash/Stocks & Bonds)

Seth M. JonesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Port Orange, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 43

@Mindy Jensen, do you mind me asking, did you build your real estate portfolio before you began to balance your portfolio, or did you do both RE and Stocks simultaneously?

Post: Asset Allocation Discussion (Real Estate/Cash/Stocks & Bonds)

Seth M. JonesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Port Orange, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 43
Originally posted by @Jonathan R.:
Originally posted by @Seth M. Jones:

@Jonathan R., I love Robert Kiyosaki, and RDPD was the 1st finance related book that I read that started me on this journey... but I've always had a hard time seeing precious metals as a sound investment, because it is a speculative investment and there aren't benefits of dividends or income of any kind. I do own some silver, but I look at it more like a personal purchase than an investment. Just my thoughts though... I probably just don't know enough about precious metals

 It’s best to not think of gold and silver as an investment. As you grow your cashflow from real estate and businesses you own, buy more of it every month. Hold it forever. 

If your purpose is to protect wealth, why not invest in short-term municipal bonds or even just a money market so that you can get a minimal return and also have agility to redeploy the funds if the ideal real estate opportunity opens up? I'm just trying to understand your point of view a bit better. Is it to hedge against a collapse of the financial system? 

Post: Asset Allocation Discussion (Real Estate/Cash/Stocks & Bonds)

Seth M. JonesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Port Orange, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 43

@Jonathan R., I love Robert Kiyosaki, and RDPD was the 1st finance related book that I read that started me on this journey... but I've always had a hard time seeing precious metals as a sound investment, because it is a speculative investment and there aren't benefits of dividends or income of any kind. I do own some silver, but I look at it more like a personal purchase than an investment. Just my thoughts though... I probably just don't know enough about precious metals

Post: Asset Allocation Discussion (Real Estate/Cash/Stocks & Bonds)

Seth M. JonesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Port Orange, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 43

@Mindy Jensen, first of all, I'm a huge fan of your show with Scott, and I am constantly sharing episodes that I feel will resonate with any particular friend or family member. Thank you for your feedback :) Just out of curiousity, do you plan on getting into bonds as you advance in age?

Post: Asset Allocation Discussion (Real Estate/Cash/Stocks & Bonds)

Seth M. JonesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Port Orange, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 43

@Steven Ko, apologies for implying you were just starting out... 1.5mm in net worth is definitely an amazing accomplishment! I thought you were using hypotheticals, I misunderstood. I'd love to connect anytime, as I'm sure you'd have a lot to teach in regards to the equities side, where I currently am a relative novice myself. Thank you for your feedback

Post: Asset Allocation Discussion (Real Estate/Cash/Stocks & Bonds)

Seth M. JonesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Port Orange, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 43

@Trevor Ewen, love you sharing the strategy of the most successful RE investor you know, great insights!

@Pavel U., I've read that, along with Rich Dad Poor Dad and two other of Robert Kiyosaki's books, also a huge fan of the Millionaire RE Investor, however I love taking in as many perspectives as possible, and "The Simple Path to Wealth" makes a really strong case for index investing, among many other classic books... I want to do my best to guard against confirmation bias

Post: Asset Allocation Discussion (Real Estate/Cash/Stocks & Bonds)

Seth M. JonesPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Port Orange, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 43
Originally posted by @Steven Ko:

@Seth M. Jones. I thinks it’s hard to gauge as a asset % because of leverage. Let’s say I have $1,000,000. I could put 500,000 into stocks and 500,000 into real estate. Through a heloc/mortgage, I can buy another house worth let’s say, $500,000. Then I’d have $500,000 in stocks and “$1,000,000” in real estate. From a cash flow prospective, maybe starting out, 50/50 might be good. But as time goes on, the “cash flow” allocation will change naturally by itself and I wouldn’t try to control it.

I don’t know if I’m seasoned or not but here are some approximate raw numbers.

Stocks: $1,000,000

Dividends received: ~$30,000/year

So I’m at about a 3% return (dividends/cashflow) and I don’t have to do a single thing. The stock price appreciation is a nice bonus. Through compounding interest, I should gain an extra $1,000+ in dividends a year (3% of 30,000). I will continue to let it do it’s thing because I don’t have to do anything. Literally. I wake up, company abc pays me. I go back to sleep.

Real estate: $400,000

Gross Cash Flow: $2000/month $24,000/year

Then got to take out property tax/insurance ($5,000/year), gather up $10,000 for repairs, vacancies. Then it’s hard to factor in tax benefits. So simply put, I expect $12,000/year + amazing tax benefits

So this is extremely one sided for me because I just started in real estate. We just bought our first house all cash in Sacramento, CA. Officially closing 5/16/19!

So I plan to be scaling my real estate portfolio a lot quicker than my stock portfolio currently. An asset allocation % goal is not on my mind. And with leverage, who knows what it’ll be. I always liked safety so I will go with 50% down payments for my next house.

And now cash.. when it comes to stocks, I like to have a 0 cash balance. For the most part, the stock market has gone up and to the right.

When it comes to real estate, I plan to have a pool of money I can safely swim in. I forgot who exactly does/said this but I plan to keep $10,000 cash reserve for repairs/cap ex because my monthly cashflow let’s me handle most repairs but just incase Anything major comes up, I’m not screwed. As I buy more properties, I might bump up my cash reserve to $20,000/$30,000/etc.

when it comes to personal finance. I have a checkings/savings/Roth ira. I’ve been traveling a lot more lately so my savings has been dropping but I keep a hopefully comfortable amount which I believe is about $100,000 rn.

I do this all with my fiancé and a handful of pets.

I believe asset allocation is an ever changing thing and only good for broad based decision. I hate the minor tinkering many people do. 1% here, 2% there. Now when my cash falls 20/30% then I can make a decision on how to get that back to a comfortble

Level (which is my problem now).

Then comes in our weird collections. My fiancé and I collect Jim shore Disney pieces, Mary Francis purses, gold/silver/bullets, gemstones/crystals, and cat figurines. I like to think they all have some value. I don’t expect them to retain value or grow in value but it’s fun. At the end of the day, remember to have fun.

To clarify, I was referencing Real Estate Equity, meaning the value of your RE holding over and above your leverage... That will dramatically change your whole conversation. Additionally, you've only focused on the cashflow, and you certainly don't invest in stocks for the cashflow... The conversation was intended toward the end-game of the life of an investor, not the start... I completely advocate for focusing on mastering the real estate buy and hold strategy to start your investment journey once you have an appropriate reserve cushion established. If I were you, I'd give more thought to having a $0 cash balance, and I think most RE investors would agree.