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All Forum Posts by: Seth Kristian

Seth Kristian has started 7 posts and replied 47 times.

Quote from @Jim K.:

@Seth Kristian

Just one comment. Amazon.com destroyed many bookstores in the country because it turned out an upstart online company could sell books cheaper and better than everyone else. And then it went ahead and did much the same to many, many retailers.

Uber/Lyft came in and destroyed the taxi business in many cities, for much the same reasons.

There are many, many examples of this. Should the taxi business have failed? Yes, in a capitalist system, because it was less useful than the Uber/Lyft system that replaced it. Should the bookstores have failed? Absolutely. I can tell you, as one of them, that the people who tend to buy a hundred books a year cheered as they shut down these pretentious showrooms and their lousy attached coffeehouses pimping a greasy patina of philomathy.

How and why should hotels and motels and resorts and their lobbyists be so terrified of STRs? How is it that someone like Seth, who I assume had absolutely no background in the professional hospitality business other than this STR, is able to bring a comparable or superior service to market than what the professional hospitality business can provide? There shouldn't be the GHOST of a chance that Seth can beat them out at their own game. And yet...here they all are quaking in fear of his little business.

You gotta wonder what we're coming to.


Well said Jim! Ive actually been the service business for a very long time, but NOTHING like STR, not even close. The only thing i had going into it was a good attitude and two fingers to cross. Turns out some few years later with over 350 ratings and 5 stars for a little denver bungalow that i wasnt half bad at it. I had a brick and mortar business downtown for 13 years until the cooties shut it down at 2020. Airbnb was never meant as a primary gig until my business took a massive hit then. After that bnb was all i had but everyday im less and less concerned over it. Ill pivot and create something else or maybe sell.

As far as wondering what we're coming to, i was wondering the same thing after reading so many statist warriors so staunchly affirming city regs on here i about forgot what country i lived in. Noblesse Oblige i suppose. Though i hold nothing against successful investors (truly!) at all, i have much to learn from them. Its the self appointed STR gentry, holding their noses at the problems for those feeling the full force and whiplash at the end of the city's bullwhip.

Sorry for the tangent there, back to your point. Capitalism would have no problem with a better product or service bearing out in the marketplace, but thats not what we have, not in this case or the aforementioned in your post. As for where this is all going, or where weve ended up? Its hard to say while individual enterprise may strive and gain individually, there’s much hesitation and less time to see the same outcome with a collective interest, insofar as bargaining. That is to say a consortium of hosts beginning at local/city levels, to state levels and so on. Its a much more powerful position to have! 

Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @Seth Kristian:
Quote from @JD Martin:

Thoughts:

1. Cities can and do have the right to regulate commercial activity unless their state takes that right away (which is generally not permitted under state constitutions) so you have that working against you anyway.

2. The no mail thing on a block for 2 months honestly sounds like a lie. You really wouldn't expect a hearing (or anyone else) to believe that because a mailman got bit - something that probably happens all the time in the US - no one on the block was able to receive home-delivered mail for two months? Mail delivers typically cover very large areas - what happened to all the other blocks - they couldn't get mail for 2 months as well? Or the other mail carriers all stepped up to cover all the other routes except your one block? Come on now. 

3. You said you moved to a rental house in order to keep renting this out as an AirBnb. Once you moved that became your primary residence. There is a definition of primary residence; you can look it up on the IRS site. In the case of the IRS it's designed to keep you from being able to just claim anywhere, anytime, selling properties without paying capital gains, paying taxes due, etc. 

Honestly I think the best advice that was given to you is to sell and move on. Until it's determined that cities can't stop you from having STRs anywhere, anytime, they will be allowed to regulate this activity. You don't have to like it but you are/were obviously circumventing their regulations which is why your license was denied. Take your profit (no capital gains, it sounds like) and buy in another market where there's no regulation. 

Clearly youre much smarter than i, and ill certainly think twice about challenging the city next time! People should really just leave all their personal affairs to the state. Thanks for the wisdom, its really opened my eyes!


1. Cities can and do have the right to regulate commercial activity

 A. Ok, great insight, i wasnt aware city municipalities had the power to supersede state constitution by way of reinterpreting jurisdictions

2. The no mail thing on a block for 2 months honestly sounds like a lie

A. Totally, in fact this whole thing is a charade. I dont even own a house, let alone a mailbox for a USPS carrier to deliver a mortgage. The two Belgian Malinois next door are just a spicy detail i like to use for engaging the minds of site contributors like yourself. Apologies for being such a Dastardly Dan, its just my modus operandi

3. You said you moved to a rental house in order to keep renting this out as an AirBnb

A. Let me move tongue from cheek first and ask, does Walmart policy dictate how you conduct your affairs? As an employee sure, because thats a contract. Ahem, sorry i should be asking you the questions…. Is the IRS a elected lawmaking body of government? What is the 16th Amendment and did it grant such a body NEW tax powers and jurisdiction for that power? Im not sure where anyone said anything about claiming more than one primary residence, although im sure it happens, but what does the IRS say about renting a house across the street from your PR in order to rent it? Since PR is assumably mortgaged, binding you to that property, and a rental is leased/temp, what is the policy if the PR remains PR without ever claiming another, even in another county? Like i said, PR is for tax purposes and voting registration but thats now a comparatively boring an moot point :) No Walmart wont dictate your life, but you are bound to adhere to its policies while under their employ. Otherwise it makes not one bit of difference what is or isn’t defined within those policies. Though, look where my own brain has got me so far, so maybe the apparat persuasion had it right all along

Hey thanks again for being so respectful and opening me up to a new way of thinking, its priceless! 

 After that post I'm not the least bit surprised you lost your case. I can only imagine what your presentation is like in person if this is your persona online🤣 . On a side note, I appreciate your attempt at satire but you're probably best off concentrating on strs.


 Brilliant use of time here my friend! Your gratis wealth of knowledge and expertise are surely a blessing to each and every thread. We should definitely connect! 

Quote from @John Carbone:
Quote from @Seth Kristian:
Quote from @Kelly Sennholz:
Quote from @John Carbone:

“Their line of questioning quickly pivoted to my daughter, where she goes to school, where i sleep”


this line of questioning for renting out your house to someone…sounds like nazi Germany when they went around to houses looking for Jewish people. 

First, this comment is very inappropriate. 

Secondly, in a democracy, we work things out. The law and the political environment are the mechanisms for doing this. Sometimes, we are on the losing side of an argument, that is how democracies work. Your comparing this to Nazi Germany is insulting and ill informed.

When corruption has played a part in how things go, that is wrong. We must support democracy full throatedly, in particular with all the openly anti-democracy folks floating around now. Buying a home is one of the most important financial decisions many can make to improve their lifelong wealth. We must support this, also, if we are to maintain the Horatio Algers America. That is a dream I believe in.


 * FIREWORKS *

We’ll said!!

Is your primary home zoned for multi family? If you put a Home Depot shed on your property and live in it you would meet qualifications, or living in a rv in a detached garage. 

if you moved out of your primary residence to another property in the same vicinity then it’s not your primary residence from both a voting standpoint and a irs standpoint. 

 Funny you should mention that because I already have a studio in the detached garage. It just felt so weird to rent the “entire property” with the minor caveat of host is staying inside the garage… but its basically a finished economy in there, had a bed setup in there any everything. Food for thought

Quote from @Kelly Sennholz:
Quote from @John Carbone:

“Their line of questioning quickly pivoted to my daughter, where she goes to school, where i sleep”


this line of questioning for renting out your house to someone…sounds like nazi Germany when they went around to houses looking for Jewish people. 

First, this comment is very inappropriate. 

Secondly, in a democracy, we work things out. The law and the political environment are the mechanisms for doing this. Sometimes, we are on the losing side of an argument, that is how democracies work. Your comparing this to Nazi Germany is insulting and ill informed.

When corruption has played a part in how things go, that is wrong. We must support democracy full throatedly, in particular with all the openly anti-democracy folks floating around now. Buying a home is one of the most important financial decisions many can make to improve their lifelong wealth. We must support this, also, if we are to maintain the Horatio Algers America. That is a dream I believe in.


 * FIREWORKS *

We’ll said!!

Quote from @Zach Edelman:

This is a risk you run when you go the "metro market" approach versus doing STR in fly-to-vacation markets or drive-to vacation markets. Regulation risk is high. With all this said, have you considered the MTR approach? This is a common pivot for STR investors in metro markets that get rug pulled by city regulations.


 I have considered that and will likely need some insight for pivoting over to MTR. Ill reach out to ya, thanks Zach! 

Quote from @Dan H.:

I feel your pain. My STR market recently implemented a weighted lottery to implement an . In spite of having max weight in the lottery, one of our STRs was not chosen in the lottery. My family has operated this STR since 1999. It had thousands of positive reviews.

We were forced to pivot.  The unit is now a MTR.  

Rules change.  Rule changes are not always fair. 

You may need to pivot.  You will need to determine whether that it is selling, switching to MTR, or some other option.  I suspect that fighting the city on this is not your best option.  

Good luck


Agreed and agreed. I wasnt sure about STR at first, but in spite of the stress it turned out alright! I have a calendar booked for the next 4-5 months which would prevent MTR (without cancelling them and incurring subsequent penalties from Airbnb i assume) so ill have to mull that one over a little. Either way, im honestly over it and the city is on a mission. It has nothing to do with me personally even when its hard not to take it that way in the moment. To sound off to you and the consensus, selling is likely the best option

Quote from @Michael Baum:

Hey @Seth Kristian, I pretty much echo the sell and move option.

In the end there are a few STR owners vs the thousands of citizens that might be protesting the STRs in their backyard. There is no way to overcome that kind of advantage.


 I think thats what ill be planning on, thanks michael. Was fun while it lasted

Quote from @JD Martin:

Thoughts:

1. Cities can and do have the right to regulate commercial activity unless their state takes that right away (which is generally not permitted under state constitutions) so you have that working against you anyway.

2. The no mail thing on a block for 2 months honestly sounds like a lie. You really wouldn't expect a hearing (or anyone else) to believe that because a mailman got bit - something that probably happens all the time in the US - no one on the block was able to receive home-delivered mail for two months? Mail delivers typically cover very large areas - what happened to all the other blocks - they couldn't get mail for 2 months as well? Or the other mail carriers all stepped up to cover all the other routes except your one block? Come on now. 

3. You said you moved to a rental house in order to keep renting this out as an AirBnb. Once you moved that became your primary residence. There is a definition of primary residence; you can look it up on the IRS site. In the case of the IRS it's designed to keep you from being able to just claim anywhere, anytime, selling properties without paying capital gains, paying taxes due, etc. 

Honestly I think the best advice that was given to you is to sell and move on. Until it's determined that cities can't stop you from having STRs anywhere, anytime, they will be allowed to regulate this activity. You don't have to like it but you are/were obviously circumventing their regulations which is why your license was denied. Take your profit (no capital gains, it sounds like) and buy in another market where there's no regulation. 

Clearly youre much smarter than i, and ill certainly think twice about challenging the city next time! People should really just leave all their personal affairs to the state. Thanks for the wisdom, its really opened my eyes!


1. Cities can and do have the right to regulate commercial activity

 A. Ok, great insight, i wasnt aware city municipalities had the power to supersede state constitution by way of reinterpreting jurisdictions

2. The no mail thing on a block for 2 months honestly sounds like a lie

A. Totally, in fact this whole thing is a charade. I dont even own a house, let alone a mailbox for a USPS carrier to deliver a mortgage. The two Belgian Malinois next door are just a spicy detail i like to use for engaging the minds of site contributors like yourself. Apologies for being such a Dastardly Dan, its just my modus operandi

3. You said you moved to a rental house in order to keep renting this out as an AirBnb

A. Let me move tongue from cheek first and ask, does Walmart policy dictate how you conduct your affairs? As an employee sure, because thats a contract. Ahem, sorry i should be asking you the questions…. Is the IRS a elected lawmaking body of government? What is the 16th Amendment and did it grant such a body NEW tax powers and jurisdiction for that power? Im not sure where anyone said anything about claiming more than one primary residence, although im sure it happens, but what does the IRS say about renting a house across the street from your PR in order to rent it? Since PR is assumably mortgaged, binding you to that property, and a rental is leased/temp, what is the policy if the PR remains PR without ever claiming another, even in another county? Like i said, PR is for tax purposes and voting registration but thats now a comparatively boring an moot point :) No Walmart wont dictate your life, but you are bound to adhere to its policies while under their employ. Otherwise it makes not one bit of difference what is or isn’t defined within those policies. Though, look where my own brain has got me so far, so maybe the apparat persuasion had it right all along

Hey thanks again for being so respectful and opening me up to a new way of thinking, its priceless! 

Quote from @Andrew S.:
Quote from @John Carbone:

“Their line of questioning quickly pivoted to my daughter, where she goes to school, where i sleep”


this line of questioning for renting out your house to someone…sounds like nazi Germany when they went around to houses looking for Jewish people. 

 Really?  what a daft thing say...  obviously, you know nothing about Nazi Germany

 Ummm, yea. No idea where the Nazi thing came from. I do know a lot about the subject and have plenty of opinions about city administrators, though id have to agree with Andrew here, it’s fairly non sequitur

Quote from @Mark F.:

I thin you're missing the forest from the trees. It is obvious the Denver government doesn't want any STR in their city. They will stop at nothing to rid them once licenses come up for renewal. Even if you win a battle, you will lose the war. Every year or two they'll put you through the same rigamarole. It's obvious they are just making up rules as they go to get you to bend to their will. When someone can make up rules on the fly, the have a superior advantage.

The smartest, non emotional option is to cut the STR option out of your life. Sucks, but when a city/town wants something, they usually get it. They have far more resources than you in this case.


 Mark, your’e spot on! Thanks for not trying to twist what i was intending to convey, and i think you got right to the soul of the entire thing. My frustrations on the surface are certainly in the moment and at first glance appear to be missing the forest through the trees. A bit deeper than that i am right there with you and know the city/state wouldnt and couldnt let me appeal the case because its not in line with their own goals and its not the hill i should be dying on. Its nothing but stress at the end of the day but in the end youre right! Ill likely be selling and looking for somewhere to park the money, certainly reach out if you have some ideas in that department haha.