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All Forum Posts by: Travis Beehler

Travis Beehler has started 17 posts and replied 300 times.

Post: How do you scale your business so quick?

Travis BeehlerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 308
  • Votes 144
Originally posted by @James DeRoest:
Originally posted by @Travis Beehler:

 I thought the issue from the housing implosion was people buying things they clearly couldn't afford, not tenants leaving rentals.  If you get your number correct in terms of rents, purchase price, etc, you can easily ride out any vacancies.

But then again, it sounds like you're more of a buy and flip kind of person, while I'm a buy and hold, yes?  If that's the case, then it's just a matter of different strategies.  But, let's not forget, flippers lost a ton of cash as well.  But we shall see. :)

Travis

And why do you think they couldn't afford the houses? When your income stream (eg tenants) dries up, you are left servicing the debt on your own, and this is where it goes horribly wrong. And this is where it went horribly wrong for a lot of people only a few years ago.

As for me flipping? Haven't flipped a single house. I sold a duplex once as it was cursed.

 I bet if it was cursed, you could call some hippie kids with a van and a dog.  They could solve your mystery! :)

Post: How do you scale your business so quick?

Travis BeehlerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 308
  • Votes 144
Originally posted by @James DeRoest:
Originally posted by @Travis Beehler:
Originally posted by @James DeRoest:
Originally posted by @Brandon Hicks:

"And how much debt are you holding at the moment?"

That question shows me that you understand that you do not need lots of outside income. 

I finance my deals 100% because I have no cash. 

I wish you well.

When this economy stutters, you are in for a lot of sleepless nights.

 Question, if the economy stutters, how will he be in for sleepless nights?  The only one I can think of is if he can't make the balloon payment because he was unable to obtain financing at the time.  Renegotiate and get financing a year down the road.

Because when the economy stutters, your tenants will disappear in a heartbeat, your vacancies will go through the roof, and all of a sudden your income doesn't quite meet your financial obligations.

This is exactly what happened a few years ago.

But as I've made very clear, far be it from me to talk to sense to you people who finance everything, I made a ton of money buying distressed property sales last time round - I'll make a ton of money next you all go broke.

It's almost unsettling that so many people today are not learning what broke investors only 5-6-7 years ago. How short memories are.

 I thought the issue from the housing implosion was people buying things they clearly couldn't afford, not tenants leaving rentals.  If you get your number correct in terms of rents, purchase price, etc, you can easily ride out any vacancies.

But then again, it sounds like you're more of a buy and flip kind of person, while I'm a buy and hold, yes?  If that's the case, then it's just a matter of different strategies.  But, let's not forget, flippers lost a ton of cash as well.  But we shall see. :)

Travis

Post: How do you scale your business so quick?

Travis BeehlerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 308
  • Votes 144
Originally posted by @Stephen Collins:

Thanks for the info! I close on my second SFR on the 27th of this month. I ended up doing 5% down conventional, and also had to show the 6 months reserves. I am planning to get as many units as I can with conventional loans, let them build equity, and then sell for seed money for newer/larger projects. Is there a general rule of thumb for debt to income when the banks will stop lending?

This new house should cash flow about $100 a month based on my analysis. It was valued at 115k, and I got it for 95k as foreclosure. Its move in ready after a good cleaning, and maybe some new paint over all the vibrant colors (unless you love "Auburn Orange").

 You bet!  It varies from lender to lender, but generally speaking, I believe it's 40% debt to income ratio.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong.  

How much did you put into the house out of curiosity?  Down payment, closing, etc.  I'm just curious about your rate of return.

Also, I would suggest commercial if you can. A bank is going to want to see your debt to income be low once you make your first commercial loan, and you don't want to be in a position where you're totally tapped out. I'd suggest also setting up an LLC for your commercial loans to protect you from lawsuits, etc. and put those rentals under that LLC.

The advantages of a commercial loan is that they don't count that against your debt to income ratio, as they only care about the cash flow of the "business", meaning the house that you buy.  Thus, you can buy as many as you'd like as long as you have the requisite down payment and reserves.  At least, that's the way it is with my lender.

Good for you on pulling the trigger on the deal though!  It's a very scary thing to do, and I wish I had started YEARS ago.  Had I done that, I would be retired now.  (I'm 40).  If you have any other questions, feel free to ask!

Travis

Post: How do you scale your business so quick?

Travis BeehlerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 308
  • Votes 144
Originally posted by @James DeRoest:
Originally posted by @Brandon Hicks:

"And how much debt are you holding at the moment?"

That question shows me that you understand that you do not need lots of outside income. 

I finance my deals 100% because I have no cash. 

I wish you well.

When this economy stutters, you are in for a lot of sleepless nights.

 Question, if the economy stutters, how will he be in for sleepless nights?  The only one I can think of is if he can't make the balloon payment because he was unable to obtain financing at the time.  Renegotiate and get financing a year down the road.

Post: How do you scale your business so quick?

Travis BeehlerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 308
  • Votes 144
Originally posted by @Brandon Hicks:

@Tony Gunter

Have I been in a squeeze? Absolutely.

My 1st day after quitting my $14/hr job last June I had a main supply water line break. Total cost to repair was just over $4k. The last few months I've spent all the money I should've been setting back for property taxes on rehabbing my new 12 unit. I'll pay the ones I currently have on land contracts but Ill be playing catch-up on the property taxes for the ones I have with bank financing the rest of the year. I can get a better return "borrowing" the county's money to improve the value and boost rents on my 12 unit than what the penalties cost. I'll have to push my painting business to cover my pay the next few months.

You know what though? Lots of people DONT take risks and still live pay check to paycheck. My current portfolio will provide me with a $15k a month or more income in 20 years. You know wasn't going to do that for me? Every job Ive ever had :)

(Don't misread this as me come across as rude....)

 Love the mentality you have!

Reminds me of a sign I saw somewhere about being an entrepreneur:  Entrepreneurship is living a few years of your life like most people won’t, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can’t.”

Sounds EXACTLY how I think.  I've gotten a lot of people telling me I'll fail, I don't know what I'm doing, or how because someone else in our circle of families tried it and failed, that means I'll fail too.

Those will be the first people I visit when I retire at the age of 50, and they've got 20 years to go.

Post: How do you scale your business so quick?

Travis BeehlerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 308
  • Votes 144
Originally posted by @Stephen Collins:

How do the pros acquire so many properties in such a short amount of time? I listen to the BP podcasts and the guests are always talking about growing 5-10+ units a year. I bought my first house in 2013, and am looking for an investment property in the ATL area. I am worried though that after I finance this second property I will have such a high debt/income ratio that I’ll be stuck paying cash for any additional units, and that I may no longer have cash on hand due to any rehabs. How do you guys grow so quickly?

Thank you, all advice is appreciated!

-Stephen C.

 Hi Stephen,

I was in the same boat as you.  I was worried about debt/income ratio, when someone mentioned commercial financing to me.  There are lenders out there that will do a commercial loan, but for residential properties.  It may take some leg work to find them though.  For example, my lender that I most recently dealt with would do a 20 year fixed, 4.6% loan with 25% down, plus 6 months worth of reserves.  That meant when I bought a $40k house, I'd need roughly $12,000 cash to buy it (10k for down payment, plus 194 per month x 6)

Hope that helps you out!

Travis

Post: Commercial loans for Residential in St. Louis Missouri?

Travis BeehlerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 308
  • Votes 144

Thanks!   I appreciate it!

Post: Commercial loans for Residential in St. Louis Missouri?

Travis BeehlerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 308
  • Votes 144

Awesome!  Thank you!  I'll be sure to give him a call!

Post: 2016 Stock Market Crash?

Travis BeehlerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 308
  • Votes 144
Originally posted by @Arlan Potter:

I am glad I own investment properties and very little in the stock market.

You and me both.  If the market does crash, I'll be going on the biggest buying spree of my RE career. :)

Post: Having a Hard Time Loading BiggerPockets?

Travis BeehlerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Vancouver, WA
  • Posts 308
  • Votes 144

No worries at all.  I'm in IT, so I know how sometimes it takes a short bit to get everything ironed out.  Thanks for the awesome site!

Travis