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All Forum Posts by: Sawyer Smith

Sawyer Smith has started 30 posts and replied 76 times.

Post: How to save up to 40% on your next Renovation.

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Quote from @Jon Fletcher:

Hi Sawyer, did you get your Part 2 approved prior to closing on the property? And did your Lender accept the approved tax credits as equity towards your down payment? 


 In order to submit your part 2 you need to own the building. However, I suggest that before closing you show the project to an HTC consultant to verify if it's an eligible project.

And yes, our lenders accepted our allocation letter as equity towards our down payment of the construction loan.

Post: Syndicators - any recommendations?

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Quote from @John P.:

I have invested with several syndicators over the past 7 years. Curious if anybody has any others to recommend as I like the idea of being as diversified as possible as I would like to avoid a Bernie Madoff type situation ruining my retirement. :)

In no particular order:

Rise48 - Arizona and Texas multifamily;

Think Multifamily - Texas multifamily; 

Open Door Capital - Texas multifamily; 

Lonestar Capital - Texas multifamily; 

Camino Verde Group - Vegas, Texas and South Carolina multifamily; 

Disrupt Equity - Texas multifamily; 

Garages of America - Texas storage; 

Ashcroft Capital - multiple states.

Others I have heard of but not invested in:

BAM - Indy;

Grocapitus - Arizona and Texas; 

Elevate CIG - currently has a deal in South Dakota; 

Praxis Capital - seems to do a lot in Georgia but currently just has a fund open;

Sunrise Capital - parking lots and multifamily - storage too? 

Wellings Capital - fund; 

ANY OTHERS you recommend? Any input on the above?  I'd love to get into some other sunbelt states besides Texas as I seem to be Texas heavy right now.

Ever thought about Missouri?

Post: Possible moratorium on property sales in Lahaina due to devastation from the fires

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Quote from @Ed O.:

That's insane.

Anyone remember the massive Joplin tornado? 

Many people sold early - their lots / destroyed homes..... and got the most money by far. People that held for more got a lot less. 

Buying a fire damaged house from someone that does not wish to own it is "predatory" ? 

I've dealt with fires. In my own experience, if I had a buyer for the shell I had remaining,  I would have been grateful. I had to barter the house and got plumbing work and $1 for it. 


 To be fair Joplin is not the same as Hawaii. Nobody was desperately trying to buy Joplin native homes before the tornado. and those who did sell in Joplin were able to buy pretty similar homes right after. This is not the case in Hawaii and if people do end up selling to the "predator" investor they are likely selling property that has been in the family for generations and will be forever priced out of a similar living situation.  

I'm a free market person, but investors who are trying to buy these places in Hawaii are not helping people, they are trying to use a horrible situation to get a great deal. Just call it what it is. 

Post: How to save up to 40% on your next Renovation.

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Quote from @Ben Johnstone:

Thank you for this  @Sawyer Smith. You've given me a lot to think about.

If a property is not currently listed as "historic" then apart from being at least 50 years old what is the usual criteria it needs to get it listed on the registry?


 The only other thing that determines if it gets on the register is its historical significance. This is kind of up to interpretation but a historic tax credit consultant will be able to help with that.

Post: How to save up to 40% on your next Renovation.

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Wanna do a Value add? Wanna use the government's money for your down payment?

This post hopes to fill a surprisingly big gap in available Real estate investing education. Securing Historic Tax Credits and turning those tax credits into cash or equity in your deal.

To preface, this does take work, can add some stress, and will extend the timeline of your project. 

However, if you approach it with a systematic and business mindset, you could open up massive opportunities for your investing. 

To date, we have been approved for over $8,000,000 in tax credits that we have used as equity in our large renovation projects. 

Also, this does not cover every aspect of Historic renovation. Rather, I hope that is can give the basics and help point people in the right direction.

If this interests you, Keep Reading!

There are 3 parts to the tax credit application process...

Step #1

Your renovation project needs to be at least 50 years old. then Google a "historic tax credit consultant" These people are the ones who can tell you everything you need to know about how to apply for and secure your credits. And you get tax credits on their fee as part of the cost of development!!!!!

Your consultant can tell you if your building is in a historic district, or if it is individually listed on the National Register of Historic Places. you will be surprised by how many houses and buildings are already in these districts or individually listed. If you are near a downtown area, you are most likely good to go.

If your building is on the national register, then your Part 1 is already done.

If its not on the register and you would like to add it, your consultant can help you with that.

(If you are in or near Missouri I can connect you with some great consultants)

Step #2

Assemble your development team!!

If you are working on a larger project ($1,000,000+) you'll want to find an architect who can usually also recommend great general contractors or developers. These people along with your HTC consultant will be able to put together your Part 2 Application, which is basically just your renovation plan. This usually takes a couple of months to put together, but if you are working on it while you are still under contract to buy the building, it can speed things along.

Once you turn in your Part 2 Application it will usually take a couple more months to get approved. However, once you turn in your application, all the work you do on that building is tax-credit eligible. In the past, we have used this time to get all the demo work done to keep the project on track. 

Also during this time, you will want to find a group that will buy your tax credits (if you are looking to put that money back into your deal). The best way to find these groups is to start with your local banks or just google them.

(I don't mind giving you some names of lenders as well if you message me)

Once you get your Part 2 approved they will give you an allocation letter. the bank or lender you are using to finance your deal should accept this letter as a down payment for the rest of your project. 

Once your Part 2 is approved move forward with development as normal. But make sure you are keeping close track of all expenses. every little thing counts.

Step #3

Finish your project! Once you receive your certificate of occupancy your consultant and CPA will help you wrap up all the details and you will hopefully have a building renovated with close to 40% extra equity that you don't have to pay back or pay interest on and in today's market that can turn an ok deal into a slam dunk. 

We use this as the foundation for how to invest in real estate and can't recommend it enough.

There are many more benefits to using this strategy but I really wanted to get some information out there and hopefully start a conversation around historic renovation.

Post: Do You Understand How Ugly This Is Going to Be?

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The first house I ever looked at was in pretty rough shape, with a ton of cats living in the house. After I exited the house and finished talking with the realtor I started to get a bit itchy and found that my pants, shirt, socks, and underwear were crawling with fleas, like thousands of fleas. I got home from my first experience in real estate naked with my clothes in a trash bag. 4 years later things are better but I still will find myself having to get my hands dirty and solve problems here and there. 

I think that's the point. My business exists to solve problems, problems of not enough housing for people, problems of degraded buildings that are an eye sore to communities. The trick to sticking with it is not just toughing it out, but finding the satisfaction of solving those problems and blessing those people. Usually, the bigger the problem you solve, the bigger the reward you recieve.  

Post: Investor Friendly Banks in Joplin, MO Area

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We have done a lot of business with Greg Golden at Oak Star Bank, they have good systems, and are eager to work with investors. 

Post: Olivia Building Historic Renovation

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Investment Info:

Large multi-family (5+ units) commercial investment investment.

Purchase price: $5,000
Cash invested: $300,000

The Olivia Building was built in 1906 and stood as the pinnacle of high society living during the mining boom days of Joplin. in December of 2020 a fire tore through the building leaving it in peril of being demolished. We stepped in and worked on a deal with the city to give us the building and finances for a new roof. After the required demolition and the building of a new roof, we are well on the way to reopening the building's 34 units. and securing $2,000,000 in tax credits.

Post: 52,000 Sq Ft Historic Building

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Investment Info:

Large multi-family (5+ units) other investment in Joplin.

Purchase price: $450,000
Cash invested: $95,000

This Old YMCA building was built in 1921. This property will be renovated into an apartment building with a projected NOI of close to $400k and produce close to $2,000,000 in Historical Tax Credits. The building will also feature an indoor pool, gym, sandwich shop, and rock climbing wall.

Post: Joplin MO Single Family Home Portfolio

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Investment Info:

Other other investment.

Purchase price: $3,000,000
Cash invested: $500,000

Our Joplin MO. Portfolio consists of close to 40 doors of single-family homes and duplexes. All the units were acquired through the use of the BRRR method. Through Blood sweat and tears we were able to see success in the tried and true lessons learned right here on Bigger Pockets.