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All Forum Posts by: Samuel Bavido

Samuel Bavido has started 20 posts and replied 75 times.

Post: The power of a mediocre deal.

Samuel BavidoPosted
  • Investor
  • Stevens Point, WI
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 31

In late 2013 I was living on a small Taiwanese island just off the coast of China. My wife and I were renting, and I began to think about buying a house instead of giving money to a landlord every month. The problem was that the real estate market there was nuts. A simple 3/2 apartment would cost at least 500k USD. Renting that same apartment, however, would cost about $500 USD. (The Taiwanese real estate market is almost 100% speculative, and with their extremely low birthrate, a crash is going to hit them pretty hard within the next 20 years....but I digress.) Even if I could afford the mortgage (I couldn't), if I ever left, there was no way it could ever pay for itself through rent. 

So, we began saving up money for a down payment for a house in the US. I figured if I was stuck paying rent, I'd better make sure that somebody else was paying me rent too. 


In the summer of 2015 we bought a 3/2 in Claremore, Oklahoma (outside Tulsa). We paid $92,500 for it, and put 20% down. It rented for $1050 a month. 


This wasn't a home run. Mortgage was about $550, and the manager took 10%, so it "cashflowed" $300 a month...if you didn't think about vacancy or maintenance. Knowing what I know today, I would not have bought it. 

But it did have some upsides. It was built in 2001, so there wasn't much in the way of maintenance. And once we got a tenant in, she stayed for 4 years. I took the extra $300 every month and put that towards the mortgage, because I didn't know what else to do with the money. 

Two years later, we moved from Taiwan to Central Wisconsin. I found a run down duplex in Wausau and bought it for $25,000. When I spoke to the bank about the loan, I was able to say that I was a landlord, and had been an investor for two years. When I talked to the seller, it wasn't as wide-eyed greenhorn (even though that absolutely is what I was). It's hard to describe to those who haven't experienced it the way realtors and banks treat you differently when they know that you've closed a deal in the past. 

In hindsight, buying that duplex was probably a mistake. I put 35K into it (which was expected), and an ungodly number of hours. My family pretty much didn't see me for a year. And even today, there is work that I'm slowly paying for as money from rent comes in. I don't regret buying it though; I learned so much about construction and tenant management from that deal. 

Last fall someone in Stevens Point (where I live) listed a duplex for 135k. It sat on the market for months. Then, in one fell swoop, they dropped the price to 95k. It seemed to me that they had shot far below what it could have sold for in their haste to sell. I put an offer in; there were other offers as well. I eventually got it for 96k. 

But how to pay for it? I didn't have the money for 20% down. But I did own a single family house in Oklahoma that I had been steadily paying down. Long story short; that original house, which we bought for 92,500, appraised at 117k. At the time, we only owed 57k on it. A local bank was willing to finance both properties as a package, and I only had to bring 8k to the table to do it. A couple calls to friends and family, and I had the money. 

Last month we sold that original house in Oklahoma. We sold for 118k. When we sold, we had to pay the mortgage down to 80% of the value of the remaining duplex, so I ordered an appraisal. It appraised at 112k. This means that the day I bought it for 96, I made $16,000 just by signing on the dotted line. Then, when I sold the original house, I only had to pay the mortgage down to 89K; just $7,000 below the original price. 

After paying back friends and family, paying the bank, the realtors, closing costs, etc, we have $35,000 in the bank. We have our initial $19,000 back, along with $16,000 friends, plus a cash flowing duplex that we have 20% equity in. I've established a track record of rehabing properties, and I have a solid working relationship with a local bank. My real estate agent knows that I close deals, and he will text me as soon as something I might want comes on the market. 

My point here is that it wasn't a great deal. 92,500 for 1050 in rent is not bad, but it's far from great. But the fact that I took action and bought it has had an incredible ripple effect over the past four years. 

Next up, we're looking to buy a house hack. I've got another duplex that I'm in the middle of rehabbing, and a flip that I've partnered on where I'm putting zero money into the deal. 

Just take the plunge. You aren't going to get a home run on your first deal, and you don't need to

Post: Should we rent out or sell our property?

Samuel BavidoPosted
  • Investor
  • Stevens Point, WI
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 31

You've got to think about your priorities and goals. The good news is, you have a lot of good choices. 

Where are you in your investing career? How much education have you had? Do you feel confident in your ability to invest 150k (plus) wisely? It may be better to do something on a smaller scale for a couple years before selling that home. Or maybe you are well educated and seasoned, and this is the boost you need to go on to bigger and better things. 

What can you get for rent? If you re-finance (no cash out) to get that 80k on a 30 year note, you'll have very low payments. Then you can get a line of credit on the rest of the equity and BRRRR for the rest of your life.

Do you have family in Seattle, or any reason to travel there regularly? As long as you are sure to do things like property inspections and meeting with the tenant or management, you can write those trips off. That could be a pretty big deal for you. 

What's your view on the immediate future of both the market for this house, and the part of Arizona where you will move? Most people are expecting a downturn in the market in the next 18 months; if you sell now and hold that cash for a while, you may find your buying power increased incredibly. 

Post: [Calc Review] How to make this deal work?

Samuel BavidoPosted
  • Investor
  • Stevens Point, WI
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 31

Do the portfolio loan for 20% down, then when you get your 40k later this year, re-fi with the lender you want. If it is indeed a good deal, it's worth paying a bit more in interest for a few months to get it. 

Post: New Rental Business in Wisconsin

Samuel BavidoPosted
  • Investor
  • Stevens Point, WI
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 31

My experience has been that you need to be working with a commercial lender to get the mortgage and title all in the LLC's name. I've had good experiences with River Valley Bank in Wausau.

Post: What is a reasonable expectation from an agent?

Samuel BavidoPosted
  • Investor
  • Stevens Point, WI
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 31

You're asking the wrong question. It's not "Is this too much to ask?", it should be "What does my business need?" 

Your business needs someone who will respond quickly and work with you, otherwise you cannot do well in your competitive market. So that means you need to find an agent who can meet the needs of your business. If that isn't this guy, that doesn't mean he's a bad agent, necessarily...he's just not the one your business needs. 

I work with Jim Buck in Stevens Point and have been pretty happy with him.

Post: Newbie from Central WI

Samuel BavidoPosted
  • Investor
  • Stevens Point, WI
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 31

Lots of good opportunities in Wausau. 

Are you at all handy? Duplexes in Wausau tend to either be very nice or in need of some work. If you are handy, you can build yourself some equity pretty quickly. 

For when you decide to buy non-house-hacking investments, I'd recommend talking to River Valley Bank. They will do 20 year mortgages that cover both purchase and repairs for 20% down. That means that you can bring $12k to the table and buy a duplex for 40k, then spend 20k on rehab, and it'll appraise around 75k. Margins are tight, but it'll cash flow for you nicely. 

Post: Anyone got Milwaukee Realtor recommendations?

Samuel BavidoPosted
  • Investor
  • Stevens Point, WI
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 31

I'm going to be in Milwaukee next Monday morning (11/25/18). I have plans to take my BRRRR investing up a notch next summer, and want to explore the possibility of doing it in Milwaukee. I'd like to talk meet with a realtor who understands BRRRR thinking, and can show me a few properties in B neighborhoods that need TLC. I'm not looking to purchase anything until late next summer, but I'd like to get a little bit of a feel for the market while I happen to be in town.

Feel free to message me names or phone number, or reply here. 

Post: What would you do with $50k?

Samuel BavidoPosted
  • Investor
  • Stevens Point, WI
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 31

Good morning good people of BP,

In 2015 I bought a single family rental outside of Tulsa, OK. It’s been a decent property, but I’ve since moved to Wisconsin and I’m not 100% happy with my property manager. On top of that, there’s been some appreciation; with a bit of updating to the kitchen and bathrooms, we’ve got comps showing we can sell for a nice little profit. We have a renter in there until the end of May 2019, so I’m hoping to get it updated in June, and on the market in July. Our target profit cash back (after closing costs and realtor and all that) is $50k.

So, what would you do with $50k? My initial thought is a 1031 to some properties in Wausau, where I’m already getting a nice return on a duplex I bought last year.

What about using that money as my starting seed money for unlimited BRRRs?

Or look for a seller who will carry a 10% note, allowing me to purchase $500k of real estate? In this area, that could be 10 cash flowing units, allowing me to roll that cashflow into more purchases over the next few years.

Or do I do some heavy market analysis and throw that money straight into the path of progress, planning to get further appreciation and pull out more money in a few years?

It seems there are quite a few good options, but I would certainly be interested in knowing what you think the BEST option is.

Post: Cozy.co background check problems.

Samuel BavidoPosted
  • Investor
  • Stevens Point, WI
  • Posts 77
  • Votes 31

An applicant is unable to complete the background check because he doesn't have history with Experian. He is one of two people applying to rent the apartment, and is a high-functioning autistic adult. He makes very little, and I don't really need to worry about his credit, because his brother / roommate makes enough to cover the rent. I do need to have a background check on him though. Does anyone know of any alternatives to Cozy. Co that will do a background check on someone who doesn't have a credit report?