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Post: The 5 Biggest Mistakes New Investors Are Making Here In The Forums
- Posts 76
- Votes 21
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
5 Takeaways From This Thread
1. The thought that the forums are where people gang up on others is absurd. Most of us do not know each other in person, are not friends, and have never spoken. What we do know of each other is built through constructive forum interactions and responses over the years. Call it mutual respect.
2. Everyone shows up in the forums with a different life. None of us will ever know what is going on behind the scenes. While some grace should be given to all if they are having a bad day, constant muckraking is a sign of something that can't be fixed here.
3. The best way to judge the middle of a thread is to go back to the original post and review it. When a thread goes off the rails, it is because of the responses, not the original post. If you take the time to review the original post in a vacuum, it often is objectively fair.
4. Something else is at play when people allege privacy concerns about why they have no photo or information in a forum where they are there to learn and hopefully make real-life connections.
5. A thread can rise and fall based on user interaction and feedback. Some people may continue to post to get their numbers up on the site. The best way to know a poster's value to the BiggerPockets community is to check their posts vs. votes. When there are more votes than posts, it indicates inherent value on the site. When there are very few votes and many posts, that explains itself.
So, here are my tips for you:
1. You are the only person here concerned with VOTES and posts. I've been on BP for only a couple of years and I can assure you, if those things mattered to me, I'd spend as much time as you do here racking up the numbers.
2. As I've stated before, there are so many folks on BP who have no photo and who use only their initials. Stop trying to get folks to jump on board that little bandwagon of yours that makes absolutely no sense.
3. No one needs to go back to your original post in hopes that they will all say YOU'RE RIGHT. Everyone here knows how much you need that. Let it go.
In summation, this all goes back to you attempting to BULLY others when they...
1. Don't agree with you
2. Don't bow down to you (in this forum)
3. Use their own minds and make their own decisions
4. Dare to challenge you or anything you've said
5. Call you out on your crap
For those who are new to the forum, here are some REAL tips, without any ugly jabs included to make you feel small and "NEW":
1. Don't be intimidated by the bullies - ask your questions. It's the only way you'll learn. Hopefully you will get a response from some decent folks who are not here to build themselves up by tearing others down. There are some genuine folks who will give you the answers you're seeking;
2. Don't feel bad because you don't know what you don't know. You'll get there in time. Do your research. Find books on the area you're interested in investing in and dig in. Learn all you can. It's OK if you make a mistake, ask a question that others might think is "dumb," - just keep in mind that there are no dumb questions, but there are some pretty ignorant responses. If you feel the question will move you forward, keep seeking the "right" answers.
3. In no way accept that you should be made fun of simply because you're new here. Shut down the noise immediately.
4. I've found that the "little" people who use the term NEWBIE, use it as a way of demeaning others. Stop using that term on yourself. No matter how new you are, if you're just getting into investing, if in your heart, you're an investor, then guess what? You're an investor - just like them. They are no better than you!
5. If you're a decent person, don't jump on the bandwagon of those BULLIES who like to make fun of others. Clearly they forgot that they were once new to RE. Don't you forget.
6. Always treat others with kindness... no matter how much you grow, and how much you come to know, don't turn into one of the BULLIES. And when you come across a BULLY, call them out. It's the only way to shut them down.
And for the "little" man with "little man syndrome" who will come back with... "I started this post and you replied to it! You all go back and read it and see where I wasn't helpful! They're hiding behind the initials and no photo, just like the MANY others who are here on BP who I interact with all the time are doing (oh look what I did there)! Meet me on Zoom so I can prove I'm right and I'll post it here for my FRIENDS to back me up! You're wrong and I'm always right! I say things in hopes that my FRIENDS will jump in and fight for me because my "little" emotions can't take on this person by myself! Stop calling these people my FRIENDS! No one has ever called me out on my crap before and this embarrasses me that you've shown me up on here! My numbers are greater than yours because I'm so successful because I spend all my time here on BP pretending to not read long comments that are putting me in my place! I was on the BP podcast twice! Go listen to it so you can see how "little" I really am! I'm a Pro because I have more votes and more posts than you and I can say nasty things about others and make my FRIENDS laugh and keep them afraid to go against me here!" grow up. You are sad.
And because it's Monday and I am SOOOOOOO busy, and because I have done my job here by showing the BULLY that he has no power and that his little votes and posts mean nothing to anyone but him (and the cowards who back him up because they're afraid of his WORDS turning on them - if you're not one of those cowards, then don't respond to that), I am clicking the little check mark so that it doesn't notify me of any more posts, because again, I'm so busy. I will leave this to the "little" "person" (hehehe) to have the last word. HE NEEDS THAT to make himself feel bigger. Because if I don't respond, he'll feel in charge again, but everyone who read every comment that I posted here, knows that he got his hiney "checked" this weekend. Oh, his "little" friends will come back and leave comments (because they're just so cute) that will garner a few snickers (all the while, I'm amazed at the number of folks who sent me messages about the "little" person. One of them even said, "Get him!") Oh, I did. LOL.
Oh, I forgot, the "little" person will also say TLDR. That means he read every word because he can't stand the thought of NOT KNOWING WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING ABOUT HIM.
Goodbye (for now).
"The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a FOOL feeds on folly." ~Proverbs 15:14
Now let's see who this will apply to here.
Comment away, "little" person. I'm gone. Have an amazing time!
Post: The 5 Biggest Mistakes New Investors Are Making Here In The Forums
- Posts 76
- Votes 21
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Good lord, did this thread get entertaining..... I'm just eating popcorn and drinkin' beer.
And @FR W. there's no way you are a licensed Psychologist. You may need one... but you sure ain't one yourself....
You wouldn't know bullying if it hit you upside the head.........
(See what I did there? :-)
Post: The 5 Biggest Mistakes New Investors Are Making Here In The Forums
- Posts 76
- Votes 21
Quote from @Kevin S.:
@FR W.I am going to bring my participation on this thread to a close. We strayed too far from the original subject.
@FR W. You came out of nowhere and saw my point of view. Thanks for your support.
@Jonathan Greene I thought your earlier post said you were concluding. Anyway, you have your opinion of me and I have of yours. It is irrelevant of each other. This thread was part fun, part waste of time and part educational. Hint- educational was not RE....but people!
I have no desire for this thread to be the longest non-educational thread like @Jim K mentioned at one point(humor again by him :)) On second thought, if it could break that record and need a few more response from me then.....What the heck! Why not!! :)
Peace out!!
Good for you, Kevin, and best wishes for an amazing week :)
Post: The 5 Biggest Mistakes New Investors Are Making Here In The Forums
- Posts 76
- Votes 21
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
In order to be considered bullying, the behavior must be aggressive and include:
- An Imbalance of Power: Kids who bully use their power—such as physical strength, access to embarrassing information, or popularity—to control or harm others. Power imbalances can change over time and in different situations, even if they involve the same people.
- Repetition: Bullying behaviors happen more than once or have the potential to happen more than once.
Bullying includes actions such as making threats, spreading rumors, attacking someone physically or verbally, and excluding someone from a group on purpose.
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Let me know where the imbalance of power is. Let me know where the repetition is when I have only responded to you. I never messaged you. I have no idea who you are and you inserted yourself into this forum post.
LOL! Now, you're really bothered - you've run to Google for help!
Post: The 5 Biggest Mistakes New Investors Are Making Here In The Forums
- Posts 76
- Votes 21
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I know some people on these forums. I go to BPCon. I go to local REA events (not as many as I desire). I do not know Jonathan other than his posts. If we have ever been at the same place, I was unaware. I am pretty sure we have never met.
I do not agree with all his posts and suspect he does not agree with all mine (not sure why would disagree with my posts 😀). I think he is more knowledgeable than many/most BP user and do not ever remember him posting a falsehood (false is data that is wrong; it is not false to have a different opinion/view). Definitely I would not call him a friend or even an acquaintance. He is someone I know who he is and find knowledgeable in his posts.
I personally am more restrained in calling someone sensitive, thin skinned, etc than Jonathan but you have crossed the line to were I share his belief. Note I would not have started such but when you indicate light bullying have led some to suicide, etc that is crazy. Suicide results from an illness. Someone that is pushed to that extreme on light bullying is very sick and the sickness was the culprit. If you search hard enough, you can find something offensive in virtually anything. The path of your comments lead me to conclude you are one of those people looking for stuff to be offended by. If you seek it, you are likely to find it.
You indicate you have gotten PMs from those that felt this thread had a bully. I will say the longer this thread goes, the more people who publicly side with Jonathon in this thread and in spite of you referring to all of them as Jonathan’s friends I suspect none would refer to themselves as Jonathan’s friend. I initially took a neutral stance, but you keeping enlarging this perceived bullying. That only can happen by being avertly sensitive.
Like all post, this is my opinion only.
Best wishes
Again, thank you for sharing, but if you think any kind of BULLYING is "good" BULLYING or to be considered "light" BULLYING, then I would urge you to do some research on the statistics and the subject. And your comment on the fact that thinking suicide doesn't at times stem from kids and adults being BULLYING, is "crazy," I would urge you to do your research immediately. It's far from crazy. IT'S FACT. BULLYING is never OK, not in any shape, form, or fashion.
And thank you for feeling the need to jump in to your friend's defense, which is what he needs to feed his ego (and to help him along here). He's been calling for your help since we started, so thank you, again, for heeding his call.
You have stated more than once that you're leaning towards others agreeing with him - sir, I'm not here looking for anyone to agree with me - that would be what the other poster is seeking. I don't need anyone to speak for me, to jump to my defense, or co-sign anything I say. I will leave those who have not the capability to stand on their on two feet to seek that help.
Thank you, again, for your input.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I do not know how to be clearer “I do not consider anything in this thread to be bullying”. Someone who is sensitive may think it is light bullying but they would be overtly sensitive.
You indicated light bullying led to suicide. I assure you their illness led to the suicide. No one not very sick would kill themselves over light bullying.
I already told you, I never met Jonathan. I believe I have never communicated with Jonathan in person (PM, text, email, phone, etc). I am confident that neither of us would refer to the other as a friend and even acquaintance is too much. I know him from his posts only.
Your posts are why I am against your position and find you sensitive. You can state your not sensitive, but your posts show us differently.
Good luck
Sir, I am a licensed psychologist, so please don't attempt to tell me what suicide is or isn't, or what causes it. I assure you your statements lead to you needing to do some serious research. Kids have been BULLIED online, or called names by someone online that they've never met, that led them to go home and hang themselves. I would urge you to choose your words carefully on the matter of how "light" BULLYING is nothing more than jovial OR playful banter. I'm sure a parent of such a child as I have mentioned above, would take great offense to your ignorance on the matter. And that is not me calling you a name - we are all ignorant on some matter or another. Do your research.
And once again, you are entitled to your opinion on BULLYING, and I'm also not moved by you thinking me overly sensitive or that you are against my position. I'm not the one here who is using the strongly worded, nasty sentences and phrases directed at those who don't agree with him. I find it odd that you feel the need to insert yourself and run to your friend's defense. I don't know you, therefore your opinions or your take on me and how you view my words, have ABSOLUTELY no bearing on me. You are entitled to feel how you feel. Lastly, you state what my posts show "us." Thank you for sharing what you say my posts show "you."
Have an amazing month ahead! ###TE
:)
"I'm not the one here who is using the strongly worded, nasty sentences and phrases directed at those who don't agree with him."
What? Copy and paste all of those into the forum for everyone to see. If you are licensed psychologist, I would ask you to send this entire thread to your mentor and get them to weigh in on your behavior and usage over and over of the words bullying.
I have told you to get help multiple times which I stand by. I have called you fragile multiple times which I stand by. I don't recall any personal insults going your way. So please post those and in return, I will post your most outrageous personal attacks including criticizing my parenting, feeling sorry for my kids. Seems like as a psychologist you would know what is out of bounds.
Your fragility keeps getting reinforced every time you post and you keep doubling down and tripling down. Please send the whole chain to your mentor and you will have all of the answers you need. You are looking it this through you own self-worth and frailty, not objectively.
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I know some people on these forums. I go to BPCon. I go to local REA events (not as many as I desire). I do not know Jonathan other than his posts. If we have ever been at the same place, I was unaware. I am pretty sure we have never met.
I do not agree with all his posts and suspect he does not agree with all mine (not sure why would disagree with my posts 😀). I think he is more knowledgeable than many/most BP user and do not ever remember him posting a falsehood (false is data that is wrong; it is not false to have a different opinion/view). Definitely I would not call him a friend or even an acquaintance. He is someone I know who he is and find knowledgeable in his posts.
I personally am more restrained in calling someone sensitive, thin skinned, etc than Jonathan but you have crossed the line to were I share his belief. Note I would not have started such but when you indicate light bullying have led some to suicide, etc that is crazy. Suicide results from an illness. Someone that is pushed to that extreme on light bullying is very sick and the sickness was the culprit. If you search hard enough, you can find something offensive in virtually anything. The path of your comments lead me to conclude you are one of those people looking for stuff to be offended by. If you seek it, you are likely to find it.
You indicate you have gotten PMs from those that felt this thread had a bully. I will say the longer this thread goes, the more people who publicly side with Jonathon in this thread and in spite of you referring to all of them as Jonathan’s friends I suspect none would refer to themselves as Jonathan’s friend. I initially took a neutral stance, but you keeping enlarging this perceived bullying. That only can happen by being avertly sensitive.
Like all post, this is my opinion only.
Best wishes
Again, thank you for sharing, but if you think any kind of BULLYING is "good" BULLYING or to be considered "light" BULLYING, then I would urge you to do some research on the statistics and the subject. And your comment on the fact that thinking suicide doesn't at times stem from kids and adults being BULLYING, is "crazy," I would urge you to do your research immediately. It's far from crazy. IT'S FACT. BULLYING is never OK, not in any shape, form, or fashion.
And thank you for feeling the need to jump in to your friend's defense, which is what he needs to feed his ego (and to help him along here). He's been calling for your help since we started, so thank you, again, for heeding his call.
You have stated more than once that you're leaning towards others agreeing with him - sir, I'm not here looking for anyone to agree with me - that would be what the other poster is seeking. I don't need anyone to speak for me, to jump to my defense, or co-sign anything I say. I will leave those who have not the capability to stand on their on two feet to seek that help.
Thank you, again, for your input.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I do not know how to be clearer “I do not consider anything in this thread to be bullying”. Someone who is sensitive may think it is light bullying but they would be overtly sensitive.
You indicated light bullying led to suicide. I assure you their illness led to the suicide. No one not very sick would kill themselves over light bullying.
I already told you, I never met Jonathan. I believe I have never communicated with Jonathan in person (PM, text, email, phone, etc). I am confident that neither of us would refer to the other as a friend and even acquaintance is too much. I know him from his posts only.
Your posts are why I am against your position and find you sensitive. You can state your not sensitive, but your posts show us differently.
Good luck
Sir, I am a licensed psychologist, so please don't attempt to tell me what suicide is or isn't, or what causes it. I assure you your statements lead to you needing to do some serious research. Kids have been BULLIED online, or called names by someone online that they've never met, that led them to go home and hang themselves. I would urge you to choose your words carefully on the matter of how "light" BULLYING is nothing more than jovial OR playful banter. I'm sure a parent of such a child as I have mentioned above, would take great offense to your ignorance on the matter. And that is not me calling you a name - we are all ignorant on some matter or another. Do your research.
And once again, you are entitled to your opinion on BULLYING, and I'm also not moved by you thinking me overly sensitive or that you are against my position. I'm not the one here who is using the strongly worded, nasty sentences and phrases directed at those who don't agree with him. I find it odd that you feel the need to insert yourself and run to your friend's defense. I don't know you, therefore your opinions or your take on me and how you view my words, have ABSOLUTELY no bearing on me. You are entitled to feel how you feel. Lastly, you state what my posts show "us." Thank you for sharing what you say my posts show "you."
Have an amazing month ahead! ###TE
:)
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I know some people on these forums. I go to BPCon. I go to local REA events (not as many as I desire). I do not know Jonathan other than his posts. If we have ever been at the same place, I was unaware. I am pretty sure we have never met.
I do not agree with all his posts and suspect he does not agree with all mine (not sure why would disagree with my posts 😀). I think he is more knowledgeable than many/most BP user and do not ever remember him posting a falsehood (false is data that is wrong; it is not false to have a different opinion/view). Definitely I would not call him a friend or even an acquaintance. He is someone I know who he is and find knowledgeable in his posts.
I personally am more restrained in calling someone sensitive, thin skinned, etc than Jonathan but you have crossed the line to were I share his belief. Note I would not have started such but when you indicate light bullying have led some to suicide, etc that is crazy. Suicide results from an illness. Someone that is pushed to that extreme on light bullying is very sick and the sickness was the culprit. If you search hard enough, you can find something offensive in virtually anything. The path of your comments lead me to conclude you are one of those people looking for stuff to be offended by. If you seek it, you are likely to find it.
You indicate you have gotten PMs from those that felt this thread had a bully. I will say the longer this thread goes, the more people who publicly side with Jonathon in this thread and in spite of you referring to all of them as Jonathan’s friends I suspect none would refer to themselves as Jonathan’s friend. I initially took a neutral stance, but you keeping enlarging this perceived bullying. That only can happen by being avertly sensitive.
Like all post, this is my opinion only.
Best wishes
Again, thank you for sharing, but if you think any kind of BULLYING is "good" BULLYING or to be considered "light" BULLYING, then I would urge you to do some research on the statistics and the subject. And your comment on the fact that thinking suicide doesn't at times stem from kids and adults being BULLYING, is "crazy," I would urge you to do your research immediately. It's far from crazy. IT'S FACT. BULLYING is never OK, not in any shape, form, or fashion.
And thank you for feeling the need to jump in to your friend's defense, which is what he needs to feed his ego (and to help him along here). He's been calling for your help since we started, so thank you, again, for heeding his call.
You have stated more than once that you're leaning towards others agreeing with him - sir, I'm not here looking for anyone to agree with me - that would be what the other poster is seeking. I don't need anyone to speak for me, to jump to my defense, or co-sign anything I say. I will leave those who have not the capability to stand on their on two feet to seek that help.
Thank you, again, for your input.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I do not know how to be clearer “I do not consider anything in this thread to be bullying”. Someone who is sensitive may think it is light bullying but they would be overtly sensitive.
You indicated light bullying led to suicide. I assure you their illness led to the suicide. No one not very sick would kill themselves over light bullying.
I already told you, I never met Jonathan. I believe I have never communicated with Jonathan in person (PM, text, email, phone, etc). I am confident that neither of us would refer to the other as a friend and even acquaintance is too much. I know him from his posts only.
Your posts are why I am against your position and find you sensitive. You can state your not sensitive, but your posts show us differently.
Good luck
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I know some people on these forums. I go to BPCon. I go to local REA events (not as many as I desire). I do not know Jonathan other than his posts. If we have ever been at the same place, I was unaware. I am pretty sure we have never met.
I do not agree with all his posts and suspect he does not agree with all mine (not sure why would disagree with my posts 😀). I think he is more knowledgeable than many/most BP user and do not ever remember him posting a falsehood (false is data that is wrong; it is not false to have a different opinion/view). Definitely I would not call him a friend or even an acquaintance. He is someone I know who he is and find knowledgeable in his posts.
I personally am more restrained in calling someone sensitive, thin skinned, etc than Jonathan but you have crossed the line to were I share his belief. Note I would not have started such but when you indicate light bullying have led some to suicide, etc that is crazy. Suicide results from an illness. Someone that is pushed to that extreme on light bullying is very sick and the sickness was the culprit. If you search hard enough, you can find something offensive in virtually anything. The path of your comments lead me to conclude you are one of those people looking for stuff to be offended by. If you seek it, you are likely to find it.
You indicate you have gotten PMs from those that felt this thread had a bully. I will say the longer this thread goes, the more people who publicly side with Jonathon in this thread and in spite of you referring to all of them as Jonathan’s friends I suspect none would refer to themselves as Jonathan’s friend. I initially took a neutral stance, but you keeping enlarging this perceived bullying. That only can happen by being avertly sensitive.
Like all post, this is my opinion only.
Best wishes
Again, thank you for sharing, but if you think any kind of BULLYING is "good" BULLYING or to be considered "light" BULLYING, then I would urge you to do some research on the statistics and the subject. And your comment on the fact that thinking suicide doesn't at times stem from kids and adults being BULLYING, is "crazy," I would urge you to do your research immediately. It's far from crazy. IT'S FACT. BULLYING is never OK, not in any shape, form, or fashion.
And thank you for feeling the need to jump in to your friend's defense, which is what he needs to feed his ego (and to help him along here). He's been calling for your help since we started, so thank you, again, for heeding his call.
You have stated more than once that you're leaning towards others agreeing with him - sir, I'm not here looking for anyone to agree with me - that would be what the other poster is seeking. I don't need anyone to speak for me, to jump to my defense, or co-sign anything I say. I will leave those who have not the capability to stand on their on two feet to seek that help.
Thank you, again, for your input.
Have an amazing Sunday!
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I know some people on these forums. I go to BPCon. I go to local REA events (not as many as I desire). I do not know Jonathan other than his posts. If we have ever been at the same place, I was unaware. I am pretty sure we have never met.
I do not agree with all his posts and suspect he does not agree with all mine (not sure why would disagree with my posts 😀). I think he is more knowledgeable than many/most BP user and do not ever remember him posting a falsehood (false is data that is wrong; it is not false to have a different opinion/view). Definitely I would not call him a friend or even an acquaintance. He is someone I know who he is and find knowledgeable in his posts.
I personally am more restrained in calling someone sensitive, thin skinned, etc than Jonathan but you have crossed the line to were I share his belief. Note I would not have started such but when you indicate light bullying have led some to suicide, etc that is crazy. Suicide results from an illness. Someone that is pushed to that extreme on light bullying is very sick and the sickness was the culprit. If you search hard enough, you can find something offensive in virtually anything. The path of your comments lead me to conclude you are one of those people looking for stuff to be offended by. If you seek it, you are likely to find it.
You indicate you have gotten PMs from those that felt this thread had a bully. I will say the longer this thread goes, the more people who publicly side with Jonathon in this thread and in spite of you referring to all of them as Jonathan’s friends I suspect none would refer to themselves as Jonathan’s friend. I initially took a neutral stance, but you keeping enlarging this perceived bullying. That only can happen by being avertly sensitive.
Like all post, this is my opinion only.
Best wishes
Again, thank you for sharing, but if you think any kind of BULLYING is "good" BULLYING or to be considered "light" BULLYING, then I would urge you to do some research on the statistics and the subject. And your comment on the fact that thinking suicide doesn't at times stem from kids and adults being BULLYING, is "crazy," I would urge you to do your research immediately. It's far from crazy. IT'S FACT. BULLYING is never OK, not in any shape, form, or fashion.
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I know some people on these forums. I go to BPCon. I go to local REA events (not as many as I desire). I do not know Jonathan other than his posts. If we have ever been at the same place, I was unaware. I am pretty sure we have never met.
I do not agree with all his posts and suspect he does not agree with all mine (not sure why would disagree with my posts 😀). I think he is more knowledgeable than many/most BP user and do not ever remember him posting a falsehood (false is data that is wrong; it is not false to have a different opinion/view). Definitely I would not call him a friend or even an acquaintance. He is someone I know who he is and find knowledgeable in his posts.
I personally am more restrained in calling someone sensitive, thin skinned, etc than Jonathan but you have crossed the line to were I share his belief. Note I would not have started such but when you indicate light bullying have led some to suicide, etc that is crazy. Suicide results from an illness. Someone that is pushed to that extreme on light bullying is very sick and the sickness was the culprit. If you search hard enough, you can find something offensive in virtually anything. The path of your comments lead me to conclude you are one of those people looking for stuff to be offended by. If you seek it, you are likely to find it.
You indicate you have gotten PMs from those that felt this thread had a bully. I will say the longer this thread goes, the more people who publicly side with Jonathon in this thread and in spite of you referring to all of them as Jonathan’s friends I suspect none would refer to themselves as Jonathan’s friend. I initially took a neutral stance, but you keeping enlarging this perceived bullying. That only can happen by being avertly sensitive.
Like all post, this is my opinion only.
Best wishes
And thank you for feeling the need to jump in to your friend's defense, which is what he needs to feed his ego (and to help him along here). He's been calling for your help since we started, so thank you, again, for heeding his call.
You have stated more than once that you're leaning towards others agreeing with him - sir, I'm not here looking for anyone to agree with me - that would be what the other poster is seeking. I don't need anyone to speak for me, to jump to my defense, or co-sign anything I say. I will leave those who have not the capability to stand on their on two feet to seek that help.
Thank you, again, for your input.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I do not know how to be clearer “I do not consider anything in this thread to be bullying”. Someone who is sensitive may think it is light bullying but they would be overtly sensitive.
You indicated light bullying led to suicide. I assure you their illness led to the suicide. No one not very sick would kill themselves over light bullying.
I already told you, I never met Jonathan. I believe I have never communicated with Jonathan in person (PM, text, email, phone, etc). I am confident that neither of us would refer to the other as a friend and even acquaintance is too much. I know him from his posts only.
Your posts are why I am against your position and find you sensitive. You can state your not sensitive, but your posts show us differently.
Good luck
Sir, I am a licensed psychologist, so please don't attempt to tell me what suicide is or isn't, or what causes it. I assure you your statements lead to you needing to do some serious research. Kids have been BULLIED online, or called names by someone online that they've never met, that led them to go home and hang themselves. I would urge you to choose your words carefully on the matter of how "light" BULLYING is nothing more than jovial OR playful banter. I'm sure a parent of such a child as I have mentioned above, would take great offense to your ignorance on the matter. And that is not me calling you a name - we are all ignorant on some matter or another. Do your research.
And once again, you are entitled to your opinion on BULLYING, and I'm also not moved by you thinking me overly sensitive or that you are against my position. I'm not the one here who is using the strongly worded, nasty sentences and phrases directed at those who don't agree with him. I find it odd that you feel the need to insert yourself and run to your friend's defense. I don't know you, therefore your opinions or your take on me and how you view my words, have ABSOLUTELY no bearing on me. You are entitled to feel how you feel. Lastly, you state what my posts show "us." Thank you for sharing what you say my posts show "you."
Have an amazing month ahead! ###TE
:)
"I'm not the one here who is using the strongly worded, nasty sentences and phrases directed at those who don't agree with him."
What? Copy and paste all of those into the forum for everyone to see. If you are licensed psychologist, I would ask you to send this entire thread to your mentor and get them to weigh in on your behavior and usage over and over of the words bullying.
I have told you to get help multiple times which I stand by. I have called you fragile multiple times which I stand by. I don't recall any personal insults going your way. So please post those and in return, I will post your most outrageous personal attacks including criticizing my parenting, feeling sorry for my kids. Seems like as a psychologist you would know what is out of bounds.
Your fragility keeps getting reinforced every time you post and you keep doubling down and tripling down. Please send the whole chain to your mentor and you will have all of the answers you need. You are looking it this through you own self-worth and frailty, not objectively.
You are so bothered :)
You literally just proved the theory that you are the one doing the "bullying". I have been sitting here laughing for days hoping you would stop, but here you keep going. Of course, you don't respond to sending the thread to your mentor because you know the result.
Smile :) (and remember to breathe).
Have an amazing Sunday!
Post: The 5 Biggest Mistakes New Investors Are Making Here In The Forums
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Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
Quote from @FR W.:
Quote from @Dan H.:
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I know some people on these forums. I go to BPCon. I go to local REA events (not as many as I desire). I do not know Jonathan other than his posts. If we have ever been at the same place, I was unaware. I am pretty sure we have never met.
I do not agree with all his posts and suspect he does not agree with all mine (not sure why would disagree with my posts 😀). I think he is more knowledgeable than many/most BP user and do not ever remember him posting a falsehood (false is data that is wrong; it is not false to have a different opinion/view). Definitely I would not call him a friend or even an acquaintance. He is someone I know who he is and find knowledgeable in his posts.
I personally am more restrained in calling someone sensitive, thin skinned, etc than Jonathan but you have crossed the line to were I share his belief. Note I would not have started such but when you indicate light bullying have led some to suicide, etc that is crazy. Suicide results from an illness. Someone that is pushed to that extreme on light bullying is very sick and the sickness was the culprit. If you search hard enough, you can find something offensive in virtually anything. The path of your comments lead me to conclude you are one of those people looking for stuff to be offended by. If you seek it, you are likely to find it.
You indicate you have gotten PMs from those that felt this thread had a bully. I will say the longer this thread goes, the more people who publicly side with Jonathon in this thread and in spite of you referring to all of them as Jonathan’s friends I suspect none would refer to themselves as Jonathan’s friend. I initially took a neutral stance, but you keeping enlarging this perceived bullying. That only can happen by being avertly sensitive.
Like all post, this is my opinion only.
Best wishes
Again, thank you for sharing, but if you think any kind of BULLYING is "good" BULLYING or to be considered "light" BULLYING, then I would urge you to do some research on the statistics and the subject. And your comment on the fact that thinking suicide doesn't at times stem from kids and adults being BULLYING, is "crazy," I would urge you to do your research immediately. It's far from crazy. IT'S FACT. BULLYING is never OK, not in any shape, form, or fashion.
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I know some people on these forums. I go to BPCon. I go to local REA events (not as many as I desire). I do not know Jonathan other than his posts. If we have ever been at the same place, I was unaware. I am pretty sure we have never met.
I do not agree with all his posts and suspect he does not agree with all mine (not sure why would disagree with my posts 😀). I think he is more knowledgeable than many/most BP user and do not ever remember him posting a falsehood (false is data that is wrong; it is not false to have a different opinion/view). Definitely I would not call him a friend or even an acquaintance. He is someone I know who he is and find knowledgeable in his posts.
I personally am more restrained in calling someone sensitive, thin skinned, etc than Jonathan but you have crossed the line to were I share his belief. Note I would not have started such but when you indicate light bullying have led some to suicide, etc that is crazy. Suicide results from an illness. Someone that is pushed to that extreme on light bullying is very sick and the sickness was the culprit. If you search hard enough, you can find something offensive in virtually anything. The path of your comments lead me to conclude you are one of those people looking for stuff to be offended by. If you seek it, you are likely to find it.
You indicate you have gotten PMs from those that felt this thread had a bully. I will say the longer this thread goes, the more people who publicly side with Jonathon in this thread and in spite of you referring to all of them as Jonathan’s friends I suspect none would refer to themselves as Jonathan’s friend. I initially took a neutral stance, but you keeping enlarging this perceived bullying. That only can happen by being avertly sensitive.
Like all post, this is my opinion only.
Best wishes
And thank you for feeling the need to jump in to your friend's defense, which is what he needs to feed his ego (and to help him along here). He's been calling for your help since we started, so thank you, again, for heeding his call.
You have stated more than once that you're leaning towards others agreeing with him - sir, I'm not here looking for anyone to agree with me - that would be what the other poster is seeking. I don't need anyone to speak for me, to jump to my defense, or co-sign anything I say. I will leave those who have not the capability to stand on their on two feet to seek that help.
Thank you, again, for your input.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I do not know how to be clearer “I do not consider anything in this thread to be bullying”. Someone who is sensitive may think it is light bullying but they would be overtly sensitive.
You indicated light bullying led to suicide. I assure you their illness led to the suicide. No one not very sick would kill themselves over light bullying.
I already told you, I never met Jonathan. I believe I have never communicated with Jonathan in person (PM, text, email, phone, etc). I am confident that neither of us would refer to the other as a friend and even acquaintance is too much. I know him from his posts only.
Your posts are why I am against your position and find you sensitive. You can state your not sensitive, but your posts show us differently.
Good luck
Sir, I am a licensed psychologist, so please don't attempt to tell me what suicide is or isn't, or what causes it. I assure you your statements lead to you needing to do some serious research. Kids have been BULLIED online, or called names by someone online that they've never met, that led them to go home and hang themselves. I would urge you to choose your words carefully on the matter of how "light" BULLYING is nothing more than jovial OR playful banter. I'm sure a parent of such a child as I have mentioned above, would take great offense to your ignorance on the matter. And that is not me calling you a name - we are all ignorant on some matter or another. Do your research.
And once again, you are entitled to your opinion on BULLYING, and I'm also not moved by you thinking me overly sensitive or that you are against my position. I'm not the one here who is using the strongly worded, nasty sentences and phrases directed at those who don't agree with him. I find it odd that you feel the need to insert yourself and run to your friend's defense. I don't know you, therefore your opinions or your take on me and how you view my words, have ABSOLUTELY no bearing on me. You are entitled to feel how you feel. Lastly, you state what my posts show "us." Thank you for sharing what you say my posts show "you."
Have an amazing month ahead! ###TE
:)
"I'm not the one here who is using the strongly worded, nasty sentences and phrases directed at those who don't agree with him."
What? Copy and paste all of those into the forum for everyone to see. If you are licensed psychologist, I would ask you to send this entire thread to your mentor and get them to weigh in on your behavior and usage over and over of the words bullying.
I have told you to get help multiple times which I stand by. I have called you fragile multiple times which I stand by. I don't recall any personal insults going your way. So please post those and in return, I will post your most outrageous personal attacks including criticizing my parenting, feeling sorry for my kids. Seems like as a psychologist you would know what is out of bounds.
Your fragility keeps getting reinforced every time you post and you keep doubling down and tripling down. Please send the whole chain to your mentor and you will have all of the answers you need. You are looking it this through you own self-worth and frailty, not objectively.
You are so bothered :)
Post: The 5 Biggest Mistakes New Investors Are Making Here In The Forums
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Quote from @Dan H.:
Quote from @FR W.:
Quote from @Dan H.:
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I know some people on these forums. I go to BPCon. I go to local REA events (not as many as I desire). I do not know Jonathan other than his posts. If we have ever been at the same place, I was unaware. I am pretty sure we have never met.
I do not agree with all his posts and suspect he does not agree with all mine (not sure why would disagree with my posts 😀). I think he is more knowledgeable than many/most BP user and do not ever remember him posting a falsehood (false is data that is wrong; it is not false to have a different opinion/view). Definitely I would not call him a friend or even an acquaintance. He is someone I know who he is and find knowledgeable in his posts.
I personally am more restrained in calling someone sensitive, thin skinned, etc than Jonathan but you have crossed the line to were I share his belief. Note I would not have started such but when you indicate light bullying have led some to suicide, etc that is crazy. Suicide results from an illness. Someone that is pushed to that extreme on light bullying is very sick and the sickness was the culprit. If you search hard enough, you can find something offensive in virtually anything. The path of your comments lead me to conclude you are one of those people looking for stuff to be offended by. If you seek it, you are likely to find it.
You indicate you have gotten PMs from those that felt this thread had a bully. I will say the longer this thread goes, the more people who publicly side with Jonathon in this thread and in spite of you referring to all of them as Jonathan’s friends I suspect none would refer to themselves as Jonathan’s friend. I initially took a neutral stance, but you keeping enlarging this perceived bullying. That only can happen by being avertly sensitive.
Like all post, this is my opinion only.
Best wishes
Again, thank you for sharing, but if you think any kind of BULLYING is "good" BULLYING or to be considered "light" BULLYING, then I would urge you to do some research on the statistics and the subject. And your comment on the fact that thinking suicide doesn't at times stem from kids and adults being BULLYING, is "crazy," I would urge you to do your research immediately. It's far from crazy. IT'S FACT. BULLYING is never OK, not in any shape, form, or fashion.
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I know some people on these forums. I go to BPCon. I go to local REA events (not as many as I desire). I do not know Jonathan other than his posts. If we have ever been at the same place, I was unaware. I am pretty sure we have never met.
I do not agree with all his posts and suspect he does not agree with all mine (not sure why would disagree with my posts 😀). I think he is more knowledgeable than many/most BP user and do not ever remember him posting a falsehood (false is data that is wrong; it is not false to have a different opinion/view). Definitely I would not call him a friend or even an acquaintance. He is someone I know who he is and find knowledgeable in his posts.
I personally am more restrained in calling someone sensitive, thin skinned, etc than Jonathan but you have crossed the line to were I share his belief. Note I would not have started such but when you indicate light bullying have led some to suicide, etc that is crazy. Suicide results from an illness. Someone that is pushed to that extreme on light bullying is very sick and the sickness was the culprit. If you search hard enough, you can find something offensive in virtually anything. The path of your comments lead me to conclude you are one of those people looking for stuff to be offended by. If you seek it, you are likely to find it.
You indicate you have gotten PMs from those that felt this thread had a bully. I will say the longer this thread goes, the more people who publicly side with Jonathon in this thread and in spite of you referring to all of them as Jonathan’s friends I suspect none would refer to themselves as Jonathan’s friend. I initially took a neutral stance, but you keeping enlarging this perceived bullying. That only can happen by being avertly sensitive.
Like all post, this is my opinion only.
Best wishes
And thank you for feeling the need to jump in to your friend's defense, which is what he needs to feed his ego (and to help him along here). He's been calling for your help since we started, so thank you, again, for heeding his call.
You have stated more than once that you're leaning towards others agreeing with him - sir, I'm not here looking for anyone to agree with me - that would be what the other poster is seeking. I don't need anyone to speak for me, to jump to my defense, or co-sign anything I say. I will leave those who have not the capability to stand on their on two feet to seek that help.
Thank you, again, for your input.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I do not know how to be clearer “I do not consider anything in this thread to be bullying”. Someone who is sensitive may think it is light bullying but they would be overtly sensitive.
You indicated light bullying led to suicide. I assure you their illness led to the suicide. No one not very sick would kill themselves over light bullying.
I already told you, I never met Jonathan. I believe I have never communicated with Jonathan in person (PM, text, email, phone, etc). I am confident that neither of us would refer to the other as a friend and even acquaintance is too much. I know him from his posts only.
Your posts are why I am against your position and find you sensitive. You can state your not sensitive, but your posts show us differently.
Good luck
Sir, I am a licensed psychologist, so please don't attempt to tell me what suicide is or isn't, or what causes it. I assure you your statements lead to you needing to do some serious research. Kids have been BULLIED online, or called names by someone online that they've never met, that led them to go home and hang themselves. I would urge you to choose your words carefully on the matter of how "light" BULLYING is nothing more than jovial OR playful banter. I'm sure a parent of such a child as I have mentioned above, would take great offense to your ignorance on the matter. And that is not me calling you a name - we are all ignorant on some matter or another. Do your research.
And once again, you are entitled to your opinion on BULLYING, and I'm also not moved by you thinking me overly sensitive or that you are against my position. I'm not the one here who is using the strongly worded, nasty sentences and phrases directed at those who don't agree with him. I find it odd that you feel the need to insert yourself and run to your friend's defense. I don't know you, therefore your opinions or your take on me and how you view my words, have ABSOLUTELY no bearing on me. You are entitled to feel how you feel. Lastly, you state what my posts show "us." Thank you for sharing what you say my posts show "you."
Have an amazing month ahead! ###TE
:)
>I am a licensed psychologist
That explains a lot.
You should know their illness led to the suicide. I do not know how to be more clear and concise.
Best wishes.
All the best. #DismissalsInOrder
Have an amazing Sunday!
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Quote from @Dan H.:
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I know some people on these forums. I go to BPCon. I go to local REA events (not as many as I desire). I do not know Jonathan other than his posts. If we have ever been at the same place, I was unaware. I am pretty sure we have never met.
I do not agree with all his posts and suspect he does not agree with all mine (not sure why would disagree with my posts 😀). I think he is more knowledgeable than many/most BP user and do not ever remember him posting a falsehood (false is data that is wrong; it is not false to have a different opinion/view). Definitely I would not call him a friend or even an acquaintance. He is someone I know who he is and find knowledgeable in his posts.
I personally am more restrained in calling someone sensitive, thin skinned, etc than Jonathan but you have crossed the line to were I share his belief. Note I would not have started such but when you indicate light bullying have led some to suicide, etc that is crazy. Suicide results from an illness. Someone that is pushed to that extreme on light bullying is very sick and the sickness was the culprit. If you search hard enough, you can find something offensive in virtually anything. The path of your comments lead me to conclude you are one of those people looking for stuff to be offended by. If you seek it, you are likely to find it.
You indicate you have gotten PMs from those that felt this thread had a bully. I will say the longer this thread goes, the more people who publicly side with Jonathon in this thread and in spite of you referring to all of them as Jonathan’s friends I suspect none would refer to themselves as Jonathan’s friend. I initially took a neutral stance, but you keeping enlarging this perceived bullying. That only can happen by being avertly sensitive.
Like all post, this is my opinion only.
Best wishes
Again, thank you for sharing, but if you think any kind of BULLYING is "good" BULLYING or to be considered "light" BULLYING, then I would urge you to do some research on the statistics and the subject. And your comment on the fact that thinking suicide doesn't at times stem from kids and adults being BULLYING, is "crazy," I would urge you to do your research immediately. It's far from crazy. IT'S FACT. BULLYING is never OK, not in any shape, form, or fashion.
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I know some people on these forums. I go to BPCon. I go to local REA events (not as many as I desire). I do not know Jonathan other than his posts. If we have ever been at the same place, I was unaware. I am pretty sure we have never met.
I do not agree with all his posts and suspect he does not agree with all mine (not sure why would disagree with my posts 😀). I think he is more knowledgeable than many/most BP user and do not ever remember him posting a falsehood (false is data that is wrong; it is not false to have a different opinion/view). Definitely I would not call him a friend or even an acquaintance. He is someone I know who he is and find knowledgeable in his posts.
I personally am more restrained in calling someone sensitive, thin skinned, etc than Jonathan but you have crossed the line to were I share his belief. Note I would not have started such but when you indicate light bullying have led some to suicide, etc that is crazy. Suicide results from an illness. Someone that is pushed to that extreme on light bullying is very sick and the sickness was the culprit. If you search hard enough, you can find something offensive in virtually anything. The path of your comments lead me to conclude you are one of those people looking for stuff to be offended by. If you seek it, you are likely to find it.
You indicate you have gotten PMs from those that felt this thread had a bully. I will say the longer this thread goes, the more people who publicly side with Jonathon in this thread and in spite of you referring to all of them as Jonathan’s friends I suspect none would refer to themselves as Jonathan’s friend. I initially took a neutral stance, but you keeping enlarging this perceived bullying. That only can happen by being avertly sensitive.
Like all post, this is my opinion only.
Best wishes
And thank you for feeling the need to jump in to your friend's defense, which is what he needs to feed his ego (and to help him along here). He's been calling for your help since we started, so thank you, again, for heeding his call.
You have stated more than once that you're leaning towards others agreeing with him - sir, I'm not here looking for anyone to agree with me - that would be what the other poster is seeking. I don't need anyone to speak for me, to jump to my defense, or co-sign anything I say. I will leave those who have not the capability to stand on their on two feet to seek that help.
Thank you, again, for your input.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I do not know how to be clearer “I do not consider anything in this thread to be bullying”. Someone who is sensitive may think it is light bullying but they would be overtly sensitive.
You indicated light bullying led to suicide. I assure you their illness led to the suicide. No one not very sick would kill themselves over light bullying.
I already told you, I never met Jonathan. I believe I have never communicated with Jonathan in person (PM, text, email, phone, etc). I am confident that neither of us would refer to the other as a friend and even acquaintance is too much. I know him from his posts only.
Your posts are why I am against your position and find you sensitive. You can state your not sensitive, but your posts show us differently.
Good luck
Sir, I am a licensed psychologist, so please don't attempt to tell me what suicide is or isn't, or what causes it. I assure you your statements lead to you needing to do some serious research. Kids have been BULLIED online, or called names by someone online that they've never met, that led them to go home and hang themselves. I would urge you to choose your words carefully on the matter of how "light" BULLYING is nothing more than jovial OR playful banter. I'm sure a parent of such a child as I have mentioned above, would take great offense to your ignorance on the matter. And that is not me calling you a name - we are all ignorant on some matter or another. Do your research.
And once again, you are entitled to your opinion on BULLYING, and I'm also not moved by you thinking me overly sensitive or that you are against my position. I'm not the one here who is using the strongly worded, nasty sentences and phrases directed at those who don't agree with him. I find it odd that you feel the need to insert yourself and run to your friend's defense. I don't know you, therefore your opinions or your take on me and how you view my words, have ABSOLUTELY no bearing on me. You are entitled to feel how you feel. Lastly, you state what my posts show "us." Thank you for sharing what you say my posts show "you."
Have an amazing month ahead! ###TE
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Post: The 5 Biggest Mistakes New Investors Are Making Here In The Forums
- Posts 76
- Votes 21
Quote from @Dan H.:
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And Dan, just for clarity, let's say that I'm the only one who called out the BULLYING. That's evident in the number of "private" email messages that I've received regarding this very thread.
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
Hi, Dan. I am no one's victim, but I am known for standing up for those who are, or those who would be victims. I have also NOT been bullied here - no one can bully me - I am much too strong for that - but I am known for shutting bullies down when I witness them attacking the innocent. This one on here along with his "little" buddy who chirped in, tickled my fancy a bit more than usual because I've witnessed the initial poster "bullying" others before. I knew what kind of "retaliation" would come my way for daring to offer another perspective to his comments, but since I AM NOT intimidated by words or otherwise, I chose to leave my opinion anyway, in hopes that it would bring a bit more kindness to the situation, instead of a piling on of "newbies" by the so-called 'pros' - some who make such degrading remarks about being a "new" investor, that it's sad. And it's done to intimidate; but I turned the tables, and it's clear he isn't accustomed to that, nor does he like it when it's done to him.
I get it, hurt people, hurt people, and for some people to feel better about themselves, they have to make other people feel small. How sad for them. There is no other reason than that for poking fun at anyone or attempting to make others feel less than.
I make no apologies for anything I've said here, because everything I have pointed out about the BULLY was truthful, and everything meant to be helpful was kind. Calling someone a "cry baby" "lurker" or any of the other nasty adjectives he spewed, that's name calling; calling someone a BULLY is fact. His words (the proof) are on glaring display, and if everyone were honest, they'd call it out for what it is/was - BULLYING - nothing light about it. And there should never be a time when any kind of BULLYING is brushed off as "light." BULLYING of any kind is the reason kids (and adults) have taken their lives, so I stand against it in every form, and on every level... light or large.
If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Only one person (along with his "little" friend) took this stream off track. The other comments (that I noticed) were other points of view. And if you don't like someone challenging what you put in words online, don't write anything publicly. No one has to agree with you. And if no one was attacking him for his views, he should not have taken to attacking others, but he did, because that's his mo. It's what he's gotten away with for so long, unchallenged. Not today.
You have to have a thick skin for this business, and although some like to boast that they have it, the proof is in the pudding here in this stream.
Thank you for your perspective Dan. It was appreciated :)
The more you post, the more I find you overtly sensitive (at least toward others feelings as you say you cannot be bullied but not sure anyone other than you felt initial post tried to bully anyone). I usually would not state such (that you are coming across sensitive) but if any of Jonathon’s initial comments were addressed at me, I would not be offended or consider it bullying. Maybe I have thick skin and, as I indicated, I think there is typically no value in calling someone sensitive.
I also reserve the term bully for a lot worse words than any I have seen from either party in this thread.
>If someone wants to BULLY and I happen to witness it, well, what a sad day for them.
Not sure how you find this comment not to describe a bully.
I question if the defender of the perceived meek (which I am not sure there are anyone that felt bullied in this thread) has become as big a bully as the accused bully (which I am not sure there is a bully in this thread). I suspect you are standing up for an imagined victim.
I am not saying any of this trying to bully anyone as much as show how you are coming across to me. Maybe I am alone in my feeling, but I suspect not.
Best wishes
And I'm also not interested in how I'm coming across to anyone here - it's your friend here who is here for the favor.
Have an amazing Sunday!
I know some people on these forums. I go to BPCon. I go to local REA events (not as many as I desire). I do not know Jonathan other than his posts. If we have ever been at the same place, I was unaware. I am pretty sure we have never met.
I do not agree with all his posts and suspect he does not agree with all mine (not sure why would disagree with my posts 😀). I think he is more knowledgeable than many/most BP user and do not ever remember him posting a falsehood (false is data that is wrong; it is not false to have a different opinion/view). Definitely I would not call him a friend or even an acquaintance. He is someone I know who he is and find knowledgeable in his posts.
I personally am more restrained in calling someone sensitive, thin skinned, etc than Jonathan but you have crossed the line to were I share his belief. Note I would not have started such but when you indicate light bullying have led some to suicide, etc that is crazy. Suicide results from an illness. Someone that is pushed to that extreme on light bullying is very sick and the sickness was the culprit. If you search hard enough, you can find something offensive in virtually anything. The path of your comments lead me to conclude you are one of those people looking for stuff to be offended by. If you seek it, you are likely to find it.
You indicate you have gotten PMs from those that felt this thread had a bully. I will say the longer this thread goes, the more people who publicly side with Jonathon in this thread and in spite of you referring to all of them as Jonathan’s friends I suspect none would refer to themselves as Jonathan’s friend. I initially took a neutral stance, but you keeping enlarging this perceived bullying. That only can happen by being avertly sensitive.
Like all post, this is my opinion only.
Best wishes
And thank you for feeling the need to jump in to your friend's defense, which is what he needs to feed his ego (and to help him along here). He's been calling for your help since we started, so thank you, again, for heeding his call.
You have stated more than once that you're leaning towards others agreeing with him - sir, I'm not here looking for anyone to agree with me - that would be what the other poster is seeking. I don't need anyone to speak for me, to jump to my defense, or co-sign anything I say. I will leave those who have not the capability to stand on their on two feet to seek that help.
Thank you, again, for your input.
Have an amazing Sunday!
Post: The 5 Biggest Mistakes New Investors Are Making Here In The Forums
- Posts 76
- Votes 21
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:
Hi. Fortunately, as I've stated, I don't find BULLYING on any level OK. People kill themselves for even what some might call "light" BULLYING. But, thank you for chiming in, and you're right, hopefully we all love RE and the stock market. I sure do :)
This is a serious post? You just took a regular forum post to help people where you and your friend have been hyperbolic the entire time, with only me responding to you, to a bullying/suicide thing? Please seek the help you need.
;)