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All Forum Posts by: Ross Hayes

Ross Hayes has started 9 posts and replied 25 times.

Thank you for all of the responses.

To clarify - if a tenant does not have renter's insurance with liability, if their pet hurt someone, the landlord could be held responsible?

Hello

We are in the process of trying to lease out our second SFH rental property. We have previously had a firm no pet policy. However, we are seeing a lot of interested individuals asking about allowing pets. Our main hesitation is simply that we feel that pets will cause additional damage, odors, etc..

If we were to consider this, what are you currently charging for fees, either one-time or additional monthly fee(s)?

Also, do you give any different considerations for cats versus dogs?


Thanks!

Quote from @Greg Scott:

For SF purchases I would target $10K to $30K equity capture, 10%+ cash on cash return and $10K to $40K out of pocket.  I really like the deals where the equity capture is more than the amount of out of pocket.  That is a 100% return at purchase.

Cap Rates are a metric used by commercial properties and completely irrelevant in SF. I wish BP removed that metric from its calculator. They might as well include altitude, average precipitation, or wind direction, which are just about as relevant.


 Thank you. When you say equity capture, are you referring to purchasing at a discount? In other words, purchase price below market value, creating equity on day one?

For SFH LTR, I'm curious for your current take on the following deal analysis metrics:

- What are you considering an acceptable cash on cash return currently?

- At what point for return on equity, do you feel like you are not leveraging the equity well enough?

- What kind of cap rate do you target for a SFH LTR?

Hello

We've had great success on our two SFH long term rental properties, and one of the parts that I really enjoy in this endeavor has been the deal analysis. I've enjoyed creating and tweaking our own analysis tool to help us analyze deals.

I don't think we are interested in pursuing flips, but I'm curious to better understand the analysis side of this strategy to continue my learning.

I've tried to do some research, but I keep coming up with some areas that I'm not following.  Can you help?

I understand that the most basic formula is ARV - purchase price - rehab = profit. I'm comfortable with all of those, but I know that there is so much more than goes into your return than just those three main levers.

Specifically, I'm getting hung up on 1) financing, 2) closing costs on both ends, and 3) holding costs.

            - For any part of the project that you finance, whether it be purchase, the rebab, or both, do you simply look at the monthly loan payment for that leverage and multiply that monthly debt service payment by the number of months you expect to hold the property?

           -  If so, then that total (for example...monthly debt service is $2,000 and you underwrite at holding for 6 months, then you factor in that you have a total of $12,000 cash that you will be putting into the deal over that 6 month holding period) counts towards your "costs" or "cash into the deal" that you need to factor in, correct?

           - Is there a general estimate proxy that you use for factoring in closing costs for the purchase and sale of the property?

           - Is there a general estimate proxy that you se for factoring in any closing costs with the lender for the financing, assuming it is not an all cash project?

Coming from the buy and hold side of investing, I'm very focused on cash flow, cash on cash, and then looking at the other ways that I value a deal (appreciation, principal paydown, etc.). But as I think about a fix and flip, beyond just swagging an ARV minus your purchase price and minus the rehab budget, I know that there is so much more to the equation to understand a true return, especially as it relates to putting your own cash into the deal.


Thanks in advance!

Post: Cash Vs Finance

Ross HayesPosted
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Quote from @Sandeep Shukla:
Quote from @Alecia Loveless:

@Sandeep K Shukla Personally I prefer longer mortgages than 7 years. My past 2 deals have both come with a prepayment penalty so make sure you check on that.

Last year I paid cash for an 8 unit value add that initially wouldn’t qualify for financing. It took about 9 months to stabilize it and then I cash out refinanced it.

If you have enough cash I’d pay cash initially due to the auction deadline. Then shop around for a good mortgage.

I’m using Brandon Turners new lending platform for my latest deal betterliferef they have cash out options and go up to 10 units.

 Thanks for the response Alecia. 

Just to clarify - for option 1 - loan term is 30 years and rates are fixed for 7. 

Since you have done it, is there anything you would suggest I should keep in mind if I go for 2nd option?

I will check out the Brandon Turners. 


Good to clarify that it is a 7 year ARM, amortized over 30 years. That makes a huge difference. Is there a floor and ceiling on how much the interest rate could change after the initial 7 year term?

Quote from @Travis Wiggins:

I am considering purchasing a triplex in Klamath Falls, Oregon. What is a good starting place for an estimate to completely overhaul the interior of each 900 sq ft 3br/1ba unit as current tenants move out? 

Full new paint, new flooring (vinyl plank vs carpet), new cabinets, countertops, fixtures, sinks, tubs, lighting, basic rental grade appliances, etc. I am looking for clean and rent ready finishes, not luxury or custom. Kitchen spaces are simple galley layout. Bathrooms will take normal size tub/shower and smaller single vanity. 

I will do the demo of current finishes myself and likely hire out much of the installation of the new finishes listed above. 

I know this is a broad question, but are we talking 20K a unit? 40K? More? 

Those that have done this please feel free to drop some knowledge!

Travis

 This is a great question and one that I've tried to get more context, as well.  I understand the guidance that most will give that any estimates will vary and you need to talk to multiple GCs and get multiple estimates.  I appreciate that, but I also want to be able to do a very quick swag when doing some deal analysis to even decide if it may be worth further exploring.

See this following discussion that I thought was somewhat helpful:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/24/topics/1174379-rehab...

Your description sounds similar to what this thread describes as "Light Rehab"?  If so, maybe $45/sq foot at 900 sq foot is $40K?  But, to me, that seems high but fully realize there are so many variables.

Another data point - we are doing some very light work on a SFH property that we just purchased and getting ready to rent out. Nothing fancy by any means. We are doing some new vinyl plank flooring (not through the entire house), paint on the main floor, minor electrical work, replacing a door, new ceiling fan, minor plumbing, etc.. Most of the work is being done more at the handy man level of experience. At this point, the work (labor + material) is likely tracking at $15 or less per sq ft. I'm in the Midwest, small town.

Post: Ozone Generators - Worth it?

Ross HayesPosted
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  • Votes 3
Quote from @Alan F.:
Quote from @Ross Hayes:

Hello

We are prepping a new SFH rental property, and the previous owner smoked. We are doing fresh primer and paint and removing any carpet.


I see cheap ozone generators on Amazon - give or take $100.  Are these units worth it, and have you had good success with addressing cigarette smoke odors with ozone?


Thanks


 They're my go to for any smoke damage (fire, cig, pot). Can't buy em in CA for many years. I use a remediation company and he typically sets up 4 to 6 machines. He's adamant it be done before any cleaning or painting. I think they work great, others on this forum disagree. Best of luck 


 Thanks for the feedback.  Why would it need to be done before any cleaning or painting?  Fresh paint is going up this week, so if I were to try this, it would be after painting and other work on the property.

Quote from @John Morgan:
Quote from @Ross Hayes:
Quote from @John Morgan:

@Bryan Galaz

I bought my first two houses with a HELOC from my house. I paid cash for them. And eventually did cash out refis on those properties to scale up big. I also did a cash out refi on my primary a couple years later to use the cash and buy 3 more houses. Since then I've bought 14 houses from equity just sitting in properties doing absolutely nothing for me. My cash flow goes way up after I tap into equity and buy more and more houses with zero out of pocket money. This has been the way I've been able to buy 29 rental houses basically for free with no out of pocket money. Tap that equity and make much more cash flow. Refi til you die! This is how you can build generational wealth without using your own money. Good luck!

Am I tracking that your strategy was using a HELOC from your primary residence to fund "cash" purchases on your first two properties?  Then, with equity on those two properties (since there was no mortgage directly against them due to the HELOC funding them), you did cash our refinances to go purchase additional properties?  Essentially rolling that equity from each property into the next one, with a cash out refinance each time?  Thanks for the context.
Yep, I used my HELOC to help me pay cash for my first two rentals. 3 years later I did a cash out refi on one of them and got all my cash back plus an extra 10k. I took that cash and BRRRR’d 3 houses with the cash  without using any of my own money. I sold the other property 18 months later and did a 1031 exchange to buy a nicer SFR. A couple years later, I did a cash out refi on it and pulled out 133k to play with. I bought 3 cash flowing houses with the cash. 

So my initial HELOC I used (about 60k total used from my HELOC between the two rentals) to buy my first two rentals turned into 8 houses that cash flow me $6200/month after all my expenses now. Some people say don’t do it, but I paid off my 60k I used from my HELOC 5 years ago with my Cashflow and I profit $6200/month and ended up with 8 houses from my first two houses I used from the HELOC. So don’t rule out using a HELOC to buy properties! I’m a fan of it despite what others say.  Consider 401k loans and 0% interest for a year credit card loans too. Or basic lines of credit from banks for around 11% which I do as well. I use OPM then pay it back with the cash flow. Then it’s all infinite cashflow once I use the rental income to pay off these temporary loans. Then I repeat and keep scaling up with zero out of pocket $. 

Thank you for sharing.  Great work - makes sense.

I used a HELOC to help fund the purchase of our first SFH LTR, in conjunction with actual cash. I've just ran my own aggressive amortization schedule to help pay down with the rental income. And just recently, we did a cash out refinance on that first property to purchase a second SFH LTR in cash, with no cash out of our pocket on the purchase. It has worked well, and for the concerns around variable rates on a HELOC, we account for that risk/fluctuation in our deal analysis. We know have all equity on paper in the new property to continue to scale.

Quote from @John Morgan:

@Bryan Galaz

I bought my first two houses with a HELOC from my house. I paid cash for them. And eventually did cash out refis on those properties to scale up big. I also did a cash out refi on my primary a couple years later to use the cash and buy 3 more houses. Since then I've bought 14 houses from equity just sitting in properties doing absolutely nothing for me. My cash flow goes way up after I tap into equity and buy more and more houses with zero out of pocket money. This has been the way I've been able to buy 29 rental houses basically for free with no out of pocket money. Tap that equity and make much more cash flow. Refi til you die! This is how you can build generational wealth without using your own money. Good luck!

Am I tracking that your strategy was using a HELOC from your primary residence to fund "cash" purchases on your first two properties?  Then, with equity on those two properties (since there was no mortgage directly against them due to the HELOC funding them), you did cash our refinances to go purchase additional properties?  Essentially rolling that equity from each property into the next one, with a cash out refinance each time?  Thanks for the context.