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All Forum Posts by: Rose White

Rose White has started 4 posts and replied 71 times.

Post: Buying from Wholesale/off market dealers

Rose White
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Woodstock, GA
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 43

@Kurt Carlton Kurt, thank you for laying everything out. If the down payment is being applied to the purchasing price, i am not sure why people would be concerned about it.. all it really is a deposit you put for an apartment security deposit as well, but it could be because its a big amount of money given forefront and because if anytime during the due diligence period, something falls through and “potentially” not being able to get that money back...? (I am just guessing why people would be opposed to this down payment&its price)

I do understand the comp accuracy comment as well. Even Appraisers can have different appraised value per appraiser. So finding that right number can be everyone’s “responsibility”.

For me, to continue learning everything, i am going to try my best to do all those things alone (but still advise the clients to run the numbers with the professionals) so i can understand all perspectives/lines of the real estate transaction. 😬😬

Thank you for your time and explaining everything!

Post: Investing while out of the country

Rose White
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Woodstock, GA
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 43
Originally posted by @John Burke:

Hello Rose,


I’m from New Bern originally, but I moved more central in the state to Wake Forest last June. I’m comfortable investing in either market, but I was thinking Fayetteville in order to get some advantages of investing in a military town. I guess the first thing I should do is reach out to real estate agents and brokers in the Fayetteville area. Since it’s a military town, some of the agents there have probably worked with deployed people before and might have an idea of what I need to do.

HI John, yes! 

you can search for agents on biggerpockets as well! :) 
also, dont forget to run your numbers yourself! 
good luck!  

Post: Investing while out of the country

Rose White
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Woodstock, GA
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 43

Hi John! 

I think investing in real estate for the first time for ANYONE or most can definitely bring uncertainty as in whether "am i making the right choice to do this", "what if something goes wrong?", "my first deal might be a terrible one".
While all of those thought can be true, unless you try it, you won't know. right? I completely understand your wife though. 

Anyways, I would suggest you to invest in cities you know/lived first. When you come back to the states, is your home in New Bern, NC? Is there any cities you know nearby that's getting more populated or more companies are coming in? if you know any, you can study the area and invest there first. As for meeting the right agent/property manager, I hope that person comes across on this thread for you but find someone that does investing themselves in that area or at least have interest in that area. This would help you leverage their knowledge of that area to help you succeed your "first deal". If that agent doesnt have an experience themselves, maybe meet someone that works under an investor broker as well.(this is not a sales pitch but) my broker has a lot of out of state/country investor clients. So I wanted to pick her brain and learn from her so I joined her firm rather than joining the big people. 

Taking your first step is 1 step closer to your goal than taking no steps! 
Good luck on your investment journey! 
 

Post: Buying from Wholesale/off market dealers

Rose White
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Woodstock, GA
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 43
Originally posted by @Kurt Carlton:

Disclosure: Co-founder of New Western



@Joe Cassandra

The non-refundable down payment has always been something that is a difficult one for people to understand at first. It's real easy to throw a wholesaler under the bus regarding it, however without the non refundable there is no risk to contracting. This sounds great for investors however in reality for us it just resulted in every deal getting snatched up immediately by wholesalers AKA "cash buyers" that just want to daisy chain the deal. Buy the time actual rehabbers wanted to see the deal some wholesaler was marketing it for more. It's hard to maintain the integrity of the deal with that added dynamic. Wholesalers do add value to the industry, however it becomes hard to justify when there are 3-4 on a single deal. Deals already sell extremely fast in this market and without a non-refundable down payment it becomes harder for the real investors to secure good deals, not easier.

Also about the deal fees. There are fees. We are a business. We have costs associated. The agent will cover these in the initial meeting so numbers can be run accordingly. As investors we are used to doing the math, all the math, all the time. Happy hunting.

 @Tim G. fair comment. 


Hi Kurt! 

is the mentioned non refundable payment to secure the house + additional fee for the commission?? 

Post: Buying from Wholesale/off market dealers

Rose White
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Woodstock, GA
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 43
Originally posted by @Storm S.:

@Rose White I’d like to point out that there is nothing unique that a wholesaler does that an agent can’t do. People mention agents charge a commission, so does the wholesaler except what they make is possibly not disclosed and they are working in there best interest where an agent would be working for your best interest. 

HI Storm, i love that you pointed that out. I would rather want to work for others best interest, because helping/being in their best interest build relationships and i am all for that! thanks !! 

Post: Buying from Wholesale/off market dealers

Rose White
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Woodstock, GA
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 43
Originally posted by @Nina Ibrahimbegovic:

@Rose White

I have a lot of wholesalers sending me deals and their comps don’t add up. ALWAYS do your own comps

Nina Ibrahimbegovic

Licensed Realtor & Property Manager, Pinellas County, Florida

HI Nina, thank you for your advice. I probably would have "assumed" their comp would be correct as a new agent but sometimes, i guess you just have to make sure again. i would hate to have assumed the number and my investor found out after we closed that we wont be getting the expected ROI...


thank you!  

Post: Buying from Wholesale/off market dealers

Rose White
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Woodstock, GA
  • Posts 72
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Originally posted by @Ryan Flannery:

@Rose White I'm not sure what FMLS is, but typically the wholesaler doesn't know either.  We typically go into contract, then title will pull the info and see if we have any problems.  We run into payoffs coming in high, liens seller didn't know about, others on title that seller didn't realize/mention, stuff like that.  

Sorry i meant MLS, GA uses FMLS as one of the multiple listing services.. but anyways wholesale sounds like gambling... !! lolol O_O

Post: Buying from Wholesale/off market dealers

Rose White
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Woodstock, GA
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 43
Originally posted by @Daniel Haberkost:

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of fair/ethical wholesalers. The process is just far less standardized and controlled relative to traditional transactions so you really have to pay attention to every detail and make sure everything is verified.

 Hi Daniel!

could you call out those who are not ethical like that? lol I can't believe people would lie like that.. I was actually buying our first primary residence home last year and supposedly it was reno'd. we put an offer and got accepted so we had the inspector check it out and low and behold, sooooo mannyyyy things to fix... also, my agent was my desk job manager's father, so he told me what the agent said.. so im like.. dang.  

but anyway, thank you for sharing that, just always have to be on your toes to make sure everything is in line is definitely important. 

Post: Buying from Wholesale/off market dealers

Rose White
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  • Woodstock, GA
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 43
Originally posted by @Anson Young:

Rose, first of all, what is the goal of looking for some wholesale/off market deals?  For yourself or for clients?  

As an agent, most wholesalers are reluctant to work with agents, typically due to longer timelines, and of course paying the agent.  As an agent, wholesalers can be a great source of properties for clients or for yourself.  Just have to set the expectations up front of how everyone is being paid, contracts, timelines, etc.  

Wholesalers are historically unreliable, maybe 2 in 10 are actual volume players, with the other 80% being inconsistent.  Finding the right handful of wholesalers can be upfront work, but pays off depending on what your end goals are (see first question above!)

Hope this helps a bit!

 Hi Anson, first of all, thank you for answering this as 2 parts because I am currently an agent helping investors, but will be looking into purchasing for myself as well down the road! When you say longer timeline, do you mean like agent being the middleman and delaying response time? If the agent is known to close deals faster, does wholesalers value that? 

Are there smaller wholesalers and bigger wholesalers? (like KW brokerage or small brokerage) lol 

thank you for your response! 

Post: Buying from Wholesale/off market dealers

Rose White
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Woodstock, GA
  • Posts 72
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Originally posted by @Ryan Flannery:

75% of what we buy is off market, so dealing with wholesalers is great.  I'd say the most frustrating part is we tend to run into title issues more often with the low priced, off market deals.  

HI Ryan 

thanks for your post... i honestly did not even think about title issues.... lol but now i know! thank you so much! 
Also, now that you mention, I do see that could be an issue. do you have visibility to title/deed like how you can see on MLS?