Originally posted by @Gareth Fisher:
Originally posted by @Donald S.:
so @Gareth Fisher why are you on BP if by your own definition everything here, including the BP podcasts and books, are just branding and marketing tools designed to get exposure for those in the company and get them access to capital?
So my friends I know that have a handful of properties and make good consistent cash flow, they're a fluke? They're just lucky? Oh or are they the ones that "cut corner on the contracting side in the sake of the almighty buck"?
Obviously you've been burned, and that is unfortunate, but I am of the belief we make our own fortune and luck in this world. Good luck out there, sounds like you need to reevaluate why you're in real estate at all.
I'm not saying that it isn't possible to do well in real estate. I still believe it is the safest surest place to stash money. My point is that almost every public figure is blowing a whole lot of smoke. Very few people talk about the risk, or the thousands of investors that have gone belly up and walked away. There are more pitfalls, and traps in real estate then I have seen in any other business then I have been involved. I see big banks hiding mold and lead issues, I see project managers expecting top dollar finishes at low end prices. I know of realtors who blow more smoke then Cheech and Chong on 420.
I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying no one talks about all the pitfalls, all the crap that goes on, the lawsuits, the unpaid invoices.
I haven't gotten burnt too bad. I have been able to do "ok" I have gotten extremely lucky imo. It has helped I have years of experience doing the work. Most don't have that.
My problem is that no one is telling these new guys all of the problems and hardships that come with real estate investing. That its an old boys game, where the new guys are often taking the losses. Even cardone has said that. It's the little guys that are going to get smashed when the market turns. Well I'm sticking up for the little guy. My parents raised me if it's too good to be true it probably is....
The bottom line is this more investors will lose money then the ones that will make. There are multiple reasons for that. I personally just think this topic doesn't get talked about enough.
You are describing every business friend. I have seen the inside of a lot of businesses over the years; equipment and party rental, paper goods retail, video store, check cash, doctors offices, liquor stores, temporary halloween stores, remodeling businesses, etc. Every single one of them have their pros and cons. Every business, regardless of industry, will fail if not operated properly. What you are describing is not unique to real estate investing.
Raised by a family of entreprenuers and one myself I appreciate your sentiment. You're not wrong in that the big guys will always toss their weight around. It's just the American way. It's a game though, we just have to figure out how to play it better. I do share your disdain for the corner cutters. In markets like this it makes it harder for those of us not willing to operate that way. It's the right thing to do though and will pay off in the end.