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All Forum Posts by: Erin Elam

Erin Elam has started 44 posts and replied 336 times.

Post: Since Covid shutdown have you signed a contract??

Erin ElamPosted
  • Little Elm, TX
  • Posts 356
  • Votes 47

Wow this is embarrassing lol I didn't know you had to be a colleague to ask someone to chime in on your post.

Anyone else sign a contract since the covid shutdowns? 

Post: Since Covid shutdown have you signed a contract??

Erin ElamPosted
  • Little Elm, TX
  • Posts 356
  • Votes 47
Originally posted by @Cameron Tope:
Originally posted by @Erin Elam:
Originally posted by @Cameron Tope:

She's old and tired of dealing with the properties, which is music to my ears haha

 Got it! Definitely hope that works out for you. Do you own other Section 8 properties? I'm interested in this niche as well, given the current situation.

 The last two properties we bought from her were section 8 but after we bought them we turned them into normal rentals. It is a lot of hassle to deal with section 8 and we were able to find regular tenants no problem. If we ever got into a situation where we couldn't rent a unit then we would evaluate switching to section 8. 

 What types of hassles did you have? Does section 8 have requirements on the type of house? Or the amount of rent you can charge?

Post: Since Covid shutdown have you signed a contract??

Erin ElamPosted
  • Little Elm, TX
  • Posts 356
  • Votes 47

@Jay Hinrichs

@J Scott

@Will Barnard

@Brandon Turner

@Anthony Gayden

@Dean Fiacco

@Jorge Rivera

@Greg H

@James Wise

@Kenneth Garrett

Any recent contracts in the past couple of weeks? We'd love to hear what you are doing right now.

Post: Since Covid shutdown have you signed a contract??

Erin ElamPosted
  • Little Elm, TX
  • Posts 356
  • Votes 47
Originally posted by @Cameron Tope:

She's old and tired of dealing with the properties, which is music to my ears haha

 Got it! Definitely hope that works out for you. Do you own other Section 8 properties? I'm interested in this niche as well, given the current situation.

Post: Best states to find a cheaper cash flowing fourplex?

Erin ElamPosted
  • Little Elm, TX
  • Posts 356
  • Votes 47

To those suggesting Cleveland, aren't there POS requirements in some of the cities that make it very expensive for an investor especially an OOS investor?

Originally posted by @Tony Robinson:

Hey BP Community!

First, I want to thank you all for the incredible amount of knowledge and support I’ve received from members of this community. I truly believe I would not have closed this deal without Bigger Pockets and all of the resources that it offers. I’m truly GRATEFUL for the relationships I’ve been able to build just by being a member.

I closed on my first investment property in the Fall of 2019 and want to share my experience with everyone. My goal is to show those of you on the sidelines that it truly is possible to get started!

Background:

I live in California but decided to invest out of state. I chose Shreveport, Louisiana because I had family in the area and after visiting and seeing the real estate prices, I decided it’d be a great market to get my feet wet.

I also found a bank in that market that was willing to lend 100% of the purchase price AND the rehab if I found a good enough deal (more on that later).

The Deal:

My realtor and I had been searching for about a month before we came across this deal. It was listed on the MLS for $130,000.

I knew that zip code pretty well, and after confirming with my realtor, we were confident that the house could appraise for at least $215,000 after being rehabbed.

I asked my realtor to put an offer in at $110,000, and she told me I should go lower to $100,000 (that’s the kind of realtor that EVERY investor should be looking for!). I took her advice and made the offer at $100,000.

As my agent was prepping the offer, I asked my GC (who was referred by both my realtor and my mortgage officer at the bank) to swing by the property and draw up a bid based on some reference properties I sent him.


My agent got back to me, and lo and behold, they accepted the offer!

The Financing:

Here’s the best part of the story.

My bank in Shreveport, Aneca Federal Credit Union, offers an AMAZING loan program that allows me to fund 100% of the purchase price AND the rehab as long as the total is 72% or less of the ARV.

I was simultaneously talking with the bank while working with my GC and realtor. I let the bank know what the offer price was, the rehab bid amount, and what my realtor said the ARV should come out to.

They double-checked the numbers on their side, and then we were off to the races!

That’s a huge benefit of working with smaller, local banks. They know the market because they live there. And they typically have more flexibility than the larger, national banks.

The Rehab and Renting:

Once the deal closed, my GC got to work.

The house was built in the 50s, and the entire thing hadn’t been touched since then. There was this crazy parquet flooring throughout the house, all of the bathrooms had pink tile, there was this odd room right off the kitchen that no one could really tell what it was used for, exterior and interior paint was peeling and dated… to name a few.

Since I lived out of state, I would check in the GC on a weekly basis to see how things were coming along. One of the good things about having the bank fund the rehab was that they would send a bank representative to inspect all of the work being done before releasing a draw to the GC. So I had a built-in team member to validate that the work the GC said he was doing, was actually getting done.

The rehab was originally slated to last 8 weeks, and it ended up taking 12. But all in all, I was happy with the end result.

Once the rehab was completed, the keys were passed off to my Property Manager. We originally listed the property for $1,600, and it sat for over a week with little activity. We dropped it again to $1,550, and still not much activity after another week and a half.

We dropped the price one more time, and almost immediately found a family that wanted to sign a two-year lease! It took four weeks in total, but I was glad to find a great family that wanted to say long term.

The Result:

I feel this was a great first deal. I paid ZERO money out of pocket to close the deal and complete the rehab. My only costs were an inspection fee upfront of about $300 and the interest-only mortgage payments.

Purchase Price: $100,000

Rehab: $55,000

After Repair Value: $230,000

Rent: $1,500

Lessons Learned:

Review the Rehab Bid with Excruciating Detail: There were items in my rehab that we probably could've gone without and achieved the same ARV. The property came out great, but I left some money on the table here.

When You Think You’ve Got a Good Deal, Offer Less: I got a great deal at $100,000, but I missed my profit target. My property taxes shot up a bit more than I had planned. Had I started with a more aggressive offer price, I’d have more money left over at the end of each month. Your first offer should make you feel uncomfortable.

Find the Price Right for Your Rental: My property sat vacant for an entire month because we priced too aggressively. I had to make an extra mortgage payment out of my own pocket because I was pushing for an extra $100 in rent.

Time Your Refinance: I purchased this property using an interest-only construction loan at 6.0% interest. They told me I could either refinance as soon as the construction was complete (Month 3) or wait another three months to do a cash-out refinance. I chose to refinance immediately because I assumed (incorrectly) that a 30 year fixed mortgage at 4.75% would be cheaper than the 6.0% interest-only.

I was wrong.

The 30 year fixed mortgage was more expensive because it also includes escrow payments for my property taxes and home insurance, whereas the interest-only didn’t. For my next property, I made the decision to stick with the interest-only for the entire six month period, and then do a cash-out refinance.

Your First Deal is Mean to Teach!: I preach this all the time, but I truly believe that your first deal is meant to educate you. It’s meant to show you the ropes, and build a foundation that allows you to close on your second, third, fourth and fifth deals. Even if I only would’ve broken even on this deal, I would consider it a win because the true value came in the form of lessons learned.

Before and After:

Again, I’m truly grateful for this community and I’m happy to answer any questions that you have. I’ve learned a lot from this deal and I’m happy to share the good and the bad. I’m a normal guy, with a family and a full-time job. I had zero real estate experience prior to this deal, but I still got it done. So you can too!

Thank you so much for reading!

 Thank you for such detail!!!

Post: Since Covid shutdown have you signed a contract??

Erin ElamPosted
  • Little Elm, TX
  • Posts 356
  • Votes 47
Originally posted by @Cameron Tope:

Hey Erin,

We were in discussion with a seller to buy their 3 rentals but we couldn't get inside due to the tenants not wanting anyone coming in the house. So we're waiting until this situation shakes out before we enter the house and begin negotiations. 

The tenants are Section 8 so the owner is still receiving her money. 

 That's awesome! Why was the owner trying to sell if she was getting section 8 'guaranteed' rent?

Post: Since Covid shutdown have you signed a contract??

Erin ElamPosted
  • Little Elm, TX
  • Posts 356
  • Votes 47

Hi BP! Hope everyone is staying safe and practicing social distancing :).

I've been reading the posts of how the current pandemic is affecting everyone. Some think oh this won't affect real estate or real estate will bounce back in 2-3 months.... there are already threads for that so I'm not trying to get any opinions on the future of real estate. I'd like to hear from those of you who have actually gotten a contract within the past 2 weeks: who is selling? We know most who were already under contract still were able to close. But who of you have RECENTLY signed a contract with a seller? What is there reason for selling? With most homeowners being able to get forbearance, what reason are people selling right now? We look forward to your recent experiences!

TIA,

Erin 

Post: Financing an auction.com property

Erin ElamPosted
  • Little Elm, TX
  • Posts 356
  • Votes 47
Originally posted by @Sebastian E.:

@Simon Ruiz yes I just went ahead and got financing. You just don’t want to get into a situation where you can’t get your financing and your deposit back.

 Can you provide updates and tell us what you did and how it worked out for you? What type of lender did you end up using? Did you win the bid? What documentation did you need to provide to auction.com for the financing? Did you get an inspection? How long did it take for you to secure the financing (from app to close)? 

Would love to hear :)

Erin

Post: Opportunity amid COVID Chaos

Erin ElamPosted
  • Little Elm, TX
  • Posts 356
  • Votes 47
Originally posted by @Steve K.:

@Robin Morales our market here is still a strong sellers market for the time being. People are still planning to move here and inventory is super low. It may soften a bit once we move out of the complete lockdown phase, as many sellers are waiting for that to list their properties, so there may be a glut around mid summer, and with the increased inventory may come slightly lower prices, although this market has literally never gone down significantly including during the GFC. We may also see less competitive offer situations on pure investment properties like small multifamily, but as of now that market segment is staying strong as well. CRE is already falling apart and seems to be set up to take the biggest hit. Maybe this is a good time to jump into commercial.

 This is where I see a potential problem that will affect lending - commercial lending. Sure small businesses are getting 'loans' to pay rent and utilities and residential mortgages won't be foreclosed on within 60 days right. But what happens when these business can't pay back their loans to the banks. Did the treasury sit down with each business to say ok you make XYZ per month, that is what you will get every month until things stabilize? No. People are on lockdown, brick and mortar businesses are getting $0 revenue for that rev stream. Basically online shopping is the only stream available to most because they simply don't have the same volume of business. So I think when companies can't pay their bills due to the simple fact of not getting the revenue, banking will restrict in a large way.