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All Forum Posts by: Robert Blake

Robert Blake has started 9 posts and replied 91 times.

Post: How To Get Out of Real Estate...?!

Robert BlakePosted
  • Investor
  • Aurora, CO
  • Posts 97
  • Votes 40
Originally posted by @Serge S.:

@Ben Leybovich  another option for you ... deposit all your cash holdings in a Ruble denominated Russian bank. 17% Cash on Cash :) Can't beat that even in Detroit ...

 Downside - have to wrestle a shirtless Putin, and a bear, to get it back out.

Post: Preferred Returns calculations?

Robert BlakePosted
  • Investor
  • Aurora, CO
  • Posts 97
  • Votes 40

Was this the right forum?

@Dion DePaoli @Brian Burke @Bryan Hancock @Jeff Greenberg @Joe Fairless @Joel Owens

Post: Preferred Returns calculations?

Robert BlakePosted
  • Investor
  • Aurora, CO
  • Posts 97
  • Votes 40

I know this would be a legal issue, check with your lawyer and all that, but I've got a couple of documents I want to make sure I understand, because someone I know is giving me a different read of what I think is really a pretty simple issue. (I know that I could be completely wrong, of course.)

It seems to me that both of the below scenarios are really the same - cash pays expenses, bills and such, then preferred returns, then excess returns are split according to percentage of ownership. (Seems to me Doc A unnecessarily splits out Managers then Members on the excess, but since it's in proportion to ownership, order doesn't matter, right?) What my friend thinks however, is that this goes expenses, bills, and such, then excess is split by ownership but the preferred return gets paid first. This appears to me non-sensical as the preferred returns are clearly a section followed by a separate section, just the same as the expenses come off the top first, then what's left is shared out in order. Does that make sense? Am I reading this wrong?

Document A:

Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement or required by law, distributions of cash receipts of the Limited Liability Company shall be in the following order:

-To the Asset Manager of the Limited Liability Company his fees as described herein;

-To pay the debts and expenses of the Limited Liability as they become due;

-The establishment of a necessary reserve of funds as determined by the Managers in their sole discretion;

-To [redacted] of a preferred return as described herein;

-To the non-managing Members of the Limited Liability for their preferred return as described herein;

-To the Managers in proportion to their membership interest and finally to the Members in portion to their membership interest.

Document B:

Section 4.02 Cash Receipts. The cash receipts of the Company shall be applied in the following order of priority:

(1) To pay the debts and expenses of the Limited Liability as they become due;

(2) To the Asset Manager of the Limited Liability Company his fees as described herein; then

(3) The establishment of a necessary reserve of funds as determined by the Managers in their sole discretion; then

(4) To the Members of the Limited Liability for their preferred return as described herein;

(5) To the Members in proportion to their membership interest; and

Section 4.03 Preferred Returns. Notwithstanding anything in this Operating Agreement to the contrary, the non-managing Members identified on Exhibit A as “entitled to preferred returns” shall be entitled to an 8% preferred return on their invested capital beginning January, 2016, and each year thereafter. All cash equity preferred returns will be distributed equally amongst the members as described below. Distributions to the Members shall be made at least quarterly, if available

Numerical examples that might make more sense: assume for simplicity $100k cash flow. $200k equity to purchase. Equity ownership is 60%, manager ownership 40%. Preferred return is 10%.

My idea is of $100k, preferred return is $20k. Equity investors get 60% of remaining $80k ($48k), managers get 40% of the remaining $80k ($32K). Equity investor total return (of CF) is $68k.

My friends idea is of $100k, preferred return is still $20k. CF is split equity 60%, managers 40%. Equity investors get $20k first, but of $100k, equity would get only $60k and managers $40k.

In both situations, we agree that managers get nothing until the preferred return is met.

Hopefully this made sense. Thoughts?

Post: Help finding guru course/Name

Robert BlakePosted
  • Investor
  • Aurora, CO
  • Posts 97
  • Votes 40

I know that Scott Estill with Estill & Long in Littleton CO used to be an IRS lawyer; he may or may not be the same one you are thinking of.  Not a big firm though.  He's written some books, but I don't know about any affiliate / guru links.

Hitchens had some interesting ideas on why Mother Teresa was a really terrible person, FWIW.  :)

Originally posted by @Kira Santa:

Well living here in philly thr are many areas in the city that could use help from investors like us. However, since I've started wholesaling, I am finding that most investors want to cherry pick the upscale areas to buy in. I have literally been told by buyers not to bring them anything in the ghetto or what they call war zones.  I understood, but was shocked  and appalled at that mentality. 


 To my mind, there's a gap between "upscale" and "ghetto / war zone" that is where most investors would naturally target.  Unless you're saying anything not in the ghetto or war zone is upscale, which I think is not true.  (definitions and distinctions can be quite important, obviously)

Post: My renters are smoking pot...

Robert BlakePosted
  • Investor
  • Aurora, CO
  • Posts 97
  • Votes 40
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

Well its legal in most states these days whats the issue

 If by most you mean 2, then...sure. :)

I can certainly be immature, but the answer to #6 there just about killed me.

Post: Billionaire Investor From Puyallup WA

Robert BlakePosted
  • Investor
  • Aurora, CO
  • Posts 97
  • Votes 40

Oh come on Brandon.  It'd be possible.  Just disturbing.

Post: The 2% rule kills values

Robert BlakePosted
  • Investor
  • Aurora, CO
  • Posts 97
  • Votes 40
Originally posted by @Jason C.:

I understand everyone has there different opinions on what class they would give a certain property once then seen it, but to draw a blank conclusion is where i have a Big problem at. She basing her BS on absolutely nothing. She doesn't know what my properties even look like and she already gave a opinion that whatever it looks she would give it a lower rank. So in turn she making a sly comment towards me then the actual property cause we haven't seen anything on whether we agree or not. There is people who pretend to do this business and some who actual do it, and then there is some who happen to have properties but have NO clue what there doing and there ego gets blown. Probally making this bigger then what it is but I don't like to get slighted. 

You are imagining the slight and blowing it way out of proportion.  In a nutshell, here's what was said:

You: My properties, which are Cs, aren't to be gone to at night / unarmed.

Dawn (agreeing with someone else): My properties are Cs, and I feel safe there at night.  Properties I wouldn't go to except during the day are Ds.

You're just disagreeing on the definition of Cs and Ds.  It's not anything to throw a fit about.  I think that same definition of Cs and Ds being roughly similar properties / neighborhoods with the exception of Ds being ones you only go to during the day is a pretty common one.