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All Forum Posts by: Richie Choy

Richie Choy has started 5 posts and replied 42 times.

Post: Short Term Rental - How to partner

Richie ChoyPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 21

Appreciate the savagery in this thread.

Post: Macon, GA buy and hold

Richie ChoyPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 21

@Andrew Hyder what's your end-goal? Cash flow or long term wealth generation? I agree with @Mitch Messer looking in outskirt counties is better for cash flow and finding numbers that are workable. I'm also a fan of getting something with some cash flow in one of those hot counties e.g. Cobb and considering performance with good rent appreciation over 2-4 years. No one starting investing is going to retire before then anyway

I'm self-managing but as soon as I'm ready, I'll reach out to Robert Gilstrap. He's on BP but I can't make the silly @mentions work.

Dang, been meaning to get in on these - but not available at all next week! I'll PM the normal crew to get connected in the mean time.

Post: Best REI option (Turnkey Rental, BRRR, flip/sell, or?

Richie ChoyPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 21

I know some folks are worried about the macro situation. What's your backup if liquidity tightens up and you can't re-fi. ARVs could drop in 6 months as well - all speculation FWIW

Post: Rural North Georgia Investments

Richie ChoyPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 21

I look around north Metro Atl area, not rural but any time I expand out I find it very difficult to understand property values. If you're looking to flip/BRRRR I would probably link up with some good rural agents that can run CMAs for ya.

I know you can do some cool things like leasing a part of your land for horse housing (probably better term for this) but people pay a LOT to keep their horses somewhere

Post: How I ended up visiting a Meth House - My PPC Experiment!

Richie ChoyPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 21

@Josh McRay those are solid stats. I'll DM you to get connected.

Post: How I ended up visiting a Meth House - My PPC Experiment!

Richie ChoyPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 21

@Mike Barone call and mail are my next step. The main thing I am focused on is scalability. Since calls are limited to a person (and a good person at that) I'll probably need to partner with someone. And I've heard FB is best for re-targeting, but haven't looked much deeper - keep us posted!

@Josh McRay definitely, at the beginning I actually ended up with a Smart Campaign which has terrible location controls. Finally fixed that up and stopped the leakage. How long have you been doing PPC and what kind of deal flow are you getting? 

Post: How I ended up visiting a Meth House - My PPC Experiment!

Richie ChoyPosted
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 21

A few weeks ago, I shook hands with a motivated seller-slumlord and visited a D-class property. He was actually in the middle of moving in a new tenant (with no teeth and probably no credit score). I tallied up: a gut-rehab, multiple evictions, and a rental strategy that I had no stomach for. This was the first lesson of my Pay-Per-Click lead gen experiment... define specific buying criteria and filter Google Ads location. 

PPC Experiment

My goal this year is to achieve healthy deal-flow via heavy investments in scalable marketing funnels in order to acquire some residential properties in Metro Atlanta. 

Budget: $1,000/mo Google Ads, $200 logo, $15/mo hosting, $0 site creation (my own sweat)

Google Ads: 4 ad "groups" (Hassles, Generic, Seller Financing, Evictions, MFH)

Lessons and Improvements

- Location: Initially started with a huge net, which lead me to a Crack Den. So I did a double-take at my buying criteria, converted it into CONCRETE standards in a document, and translated into 7 mi radius around 6 major towns around Atlanta. I also had for forcibly exclude non-US countries for some reason.

- Demographics: the age distribution clearly leaned to 34+ but I went ahead and forced to 45+ because I've seen a lot of older mom-n-pops starting to dump their portfolios on Zillow.

- Ad "groups": I tried to target people that were specifically interested in selling with seller financing, but most searches were BUYERS looking to acquire with seller financing. This siphoned off valuable click dollars, which I eventually had to disable. 

- Negative search keywords: With all the craziness going on I created a group around Evictions, but it generated a lot of traffic from tenants that were looking to avoid getting evicted. I quickly clamped down on generic phrases like "evictions in georgia"

Metrics/Results
- 3.6k Impressions, 178 Clicks, 12 calls/contacts, 2 property visits, 2 offers, 0 accepts

- $1200 total marketing dollars invested, $8.87 avg CPC (lower due to cheaper, unproductive search phrases)

- 50/50 male/female, 50/50 mobile/desktop, lot of traffic at lunch and after dinner

- Most successful ad group were super generic e.g. "sell my house fast", "we buy houses" at ~4% CTR

Moving Forward

I'm looking at the costs and metrics here as tuition money. I'm fully expecting all following months to be far more successful. The most crucial piece is demonstrating extreme ownership over the results and converting the data into improvements on the ad campaign parameters AND on the site content/aesthetics.

Cheers, and don't do drugs!

Investment Info:

Townhouse buy & hold investment in Cartersville.

Purchase price: $121,000
Cash invested: $47,875

Family-friendly rental with a ton of space, rental market is strong and has performed well with diligent tenant screening.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I was on the search for a good 1% deal in the Metro Atlanta area, like many others!

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

A fantastic realtor came across it that we had been connected with. We sat down and talked through pricing that made sense for his situation.

How did you finance this deal?

Conventional

How did you add value to the deal?

Detailed and diligent tenant screening. The rental market is strong, but it's also a place where there are a lot of bad tenants to choose from.

What was the outcome?

Great buy-and-hold that I've kept. While the cash flow is great, it's also more investment progress and motivation to keep making moves and meeting people.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

A lot of basic things that I've heard 100 times: 1. Renovation budget goes over 2. Being on the wrong end of the "maintenance curve" is a big deal.

More excitingly - I had a lender I was working with that was charging me a full 1% over the going interest rate. I was committed to him and even got a referral from another investor. In the middle of the contract, I happened to run it by someone else and swapped out my financing and saved a TON.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

1. Amazing realtor
2. Amazing lender