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All Forum Posts by: Peter Walther

Peter Walther has started 31 posts and replied 1581 times.

Post: Getting A Deed In Lieu at closing to store away

Peter WaltherPosted
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I think you'll find most, if not all title insurers, will require the DIL to be dated and executed subsequent to default in order to insure.  In addition, the Grantor will probably be required to sign the same seller's affidavit that are needed for a non DIL closing.  Here's a short treatise by a title insurer:

A deed in lieu of foreclosure is a deed given by the owner of mortgaged property to the holder of the mortgage or its designee where the mortgage is in default and foreclosure is a possibility. A deed is given and accepted as an alternative to ("in lieu of") foreclosure. Unlike a foreclosure, a deed in lieu of foreclosure does not extinguish any of the liens and encumbrances affecting the property.


Most courts recognize the execution of a deed in lieu of foreclosure in a transaction subsequent to the original mortgage transaction as a legitimate alternative to foreclosure proceedings. However, deeds in lieu of foreclosure can be subject to judicial attack by their grantors and their grantors' creditors.

Grounds for attacks on deeds in lieu of foreclosure include the following:

• That the deed was an equitable mortgage - that the parties intended the deed to be given as security for a debt and that the deed was not an absolute conveyance.

• That the deed is either a preferential or fraudulent transaction within the purview of the provisions of the federal Bankruptcy Act or any other related state law.

• That the deed is a device to clog a mortgagor's right of redemption.

• Unfairness of the consideration.

• Coercion, fraud, oppression, duress, and undue influence.

• That the deed is not subsequent to the execution of the mortgage but contemporaneous with it.

• That the grantor/mortgagor was insolvent at the time of the execution of the deed.


An estoppel affidavit (executed and acknowledged by the grantor/mortgagor, attesting to the fairness of the transaction, the consideration exchanged, the value of the property, and other factors showing an intention to make a genuine transfer) or a recital (inserted directly in the deed) are supporting documents used to forestall challenges to these transactions.


State law and local title standards must be consulted in regard to the consideration and treatment of deeds in lieu of foreclosure.

Post: Florida Appeals Court Orders Insurer to Defend Rescission Claim in Title Dispute

Peter WaltherPosted
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This is a recent decision where a title insurer denied coverage to an insured owner who had been named in a suit to rescind the deed into the insured.  The insurer claimed the Complaint alleged matters which were excluded from coverage and therefore liability was denied.  The insured sued the insurer, and the trial court agreed with the insurer and dismissed the insured's complaint.  The insured appealed and the appeals court agree with the insured and reversed the lower court's decision.

I handled a similar title claim where the complaint alleged among other things, the insured knew or should have known about the Plaintiff's prior contract and therefore the deed into my insured should be rescinded.  I believed the company had liability because the allegation "should have known" was outside the policy exclusion.  There was lots of discussion in the department about whether the matter was in fact covered but my opinion ultimately prevailed.  The conversation, as well as this decision, left me wondering how many insureds are denied policy coverage and cannot afford to bring a suit against the insurer and are unable to recover their loss.

Post: Title transfers in courthouse

Peter WaltherPosted
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There's also a considerable risk that the person you're dealing with isn't actually the owner of the property.

Post: Only one spouse signed a "view easement". Now what?

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I believe that if the non-signing spouse had an interest in the property burdened by the easement, then the easement interest is not insurable.  However, that doesn't mean the easement is not valid.  If the non-signing spouse agreed to the easement and received and accepted the consideration paid, it very well may be valid as to them.  If the failure to join was a ministerial oversight, then a new deed would probably cure the defect.  This assumes there are no third parties who took an interest between the original deed and the new deed (think mortgage lender).  If there is one, and they did not take their interest with actual knowledge of the easement, then the new deed would need to be agreed to by that third party or would be subordinate to that prior interest.

Post: Deed vs mortgage

Peter WaltherPosted
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Quote from @Ashish Acharya:

@Shannon L Fogarty In this situation, here’s how deed and mortgage rights apply:

1. Ownership vs. Mortgage: The deed reflects ownership of the property, while the mortgage reflects liability for the loan. Since the husband is now the only name on the deed, he has full ownership, while the wife is still liable for the mortgage.

2. Selling or Transferring the Deed: Legally, the husband can transfer or sell his ownership interest without needing the wife’s permission, as she is not listed on the deed. However, this does not release her from the mortgage responsibility unless the loan is paid off or refinanced.

3. Selling the House: If the wife wants to sell, she’ll need the husband’s cooperation, as he holds ownership rights through the deed. A resolution might involve a refinance or buyout agreement to remove her from the mortgage, aligning ownership and liability.

This post does not create a CPA-Client relationship. The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon. Readers should seek professional advice.


    I believe the Note creates liability for the loan, the mortgage creates a lien on the real property that secures the debt.  If I sign the mortgage but not the Note, I don't have liability for the debt, but my interest in the property is subordinate to the lien and so can be foreclosed if the debt is not repaid as agreed.

    Post: Is inflating a payoff a CRIMINAL OFFENSE in GA?

    Peter WaltherPosted
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    Sorry, it's Georgia Code § 16-8-3.

    Post: Is inflating a payoff a CRIMINAL OFFENSE in GA?

    Peter WaltherPosted
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    You might look at Georgia Code § 16-5-40.

    I worked on more than one title insurance claim where an escrow agent disbursed funds before closing so while it's unusual, it's not unique.  Sometimes by mistake, sometimes by direction of the parties, sometimes in an attempt to steal money.

    I believe you and your attorney are already pursuing a lien based on equitable subrogation.  While that might succeed, I hope you're also seeking a lien based on unjust enrichment in case it doesn't. 

    Post: Deed vs mortgage

    Peter WaltherPosted
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    Quote from @Kerry Baird:

    Yes.  Why in the world would she come off the deed, but remain obligated on the mortgage?  And whoever makes the payments on the mortgage could stop, resulting in a notice of default, leading to foreclosure…making this a risky situation for the wife to be in.  


    It happens in divorces all the time.  In happier times the husband and wife buy a house and give a mortgage to pay for the purchase.  They get a divorce, and one spouse is awarded the house and is ordered to make the mortgage payments and hold the other spouse harmless from the obligation.  That's fine as between them but the lender is still going to hold both liable for the debt if the payments aren't made.  The non-title holding ex-spouse can ask the lender to release them from the Note, but it's rarely given in my experience.

    Post: Deed vs mortgage

    Peter WaltherPosted
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    Quote from @Matthew Paul:
    Quote from @Peter Walther:
    Quote from @Matthew Paul:

    If the man wanted to he could sell the house and keep the profit 


     Are you willing to insure the OP if she buys the house

    Without seeing the divorce decree , no , BUT if there is nothing in the divorce papers and he is solely on the deed , and the ex wife on the loan by herself , He is the sole owner of the house . She is responsible to pay for it .  Its entirely possible that if he sells the house , and keeps the proceeds , she could be hit with a 1099 and since her debt was forgiven , and be liable for income taxes on that amount 

     But you wrote "If the man wanted to he could sell the house and keep the profit", nothing about your advice is based on having reviewed the divorce.  If you read my reply to Chris Seveney, I think you'll see that I suggested the possibility of the wife's interest being memorialized.  I think you'll also find that even if he isn't liable for the debt, his interest in the property is subject to the lien of the mortgage.  If he sells the house the mortgage should be paid off out of the purchase price.  He might get to keep the net proceeds but the debt gets paid, and the mortgage is satisfied.  While I'm not an accountant, CPA or attorney, I'm hard pressed to believe that if the mortgage is paid in full from the sales price the wife has to worry about getting a 1099.

    Post: Deed vs mortgage

    Peter WaltherPosted
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    Quote from @Matthew Paul:

    If the man wanted to he could sell the house and keep the profit 


     Are you willing to insure the OP if she buys the house?