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All Forum Posts by: Peter Walther

Peter Walther has started 31 posts and replied 1554 times.

Post: Deed vs mortgage

Peter WaltherPosted
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Quote from @Kerry Baird:

Yes.  Why in the world would she come off the deed, but remain obligated on the mortgage?  And whoever makes the payments on the mortgage could stop, resulting in a notice of default, leading to foreclosure…making this a risky situation for the wife to be in.  


It happens in divorces all the time.  In happier times the husband and wife buy a house and give a mortgage to pay for the purchase.  They get a divorce, and one spouse is awarded the house and is ordered to make the mortgage payments and hold the other spouse harmless from the obligation.  That's fine as between them but the lender is still going to hold both liable for the debt if the payments aren't made.  The non-title holding ex-spouse can ask the lender to release them from the Note, but it's rarely given in my experience.

Post: Deed vs mortgage

Peter WaltherPosted
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Quote from @Matthew Paul:
Quote from @Peter Walther:
Quote from @Matthew Paul:

If the man wanted to he could sell the house and keep the profit 


 Are you willing to insure the OP if she buys the house

Without seeing the divorce decree , no , BUT if there is nothing in the divorce papers and he is solely on the deed , and the ex wife on the loan by herself , He is the sole owner of the house . She is responsible to pay for it .  Its entirely possible that if he sells the house , and keeps the proceeds , she could be hit with a 1099 and since her debt was forgiven , and be liable for income taxes on that amount 

 But you wrote "If the man wanted to he could sell the house and keep the profit", nothing about your advice is based on having reviewed the divorce.  If you read my reply to Chris Seveney, I think you'll see that I suggested the possibility of the wife's interest being memorialized.  I think you'll also find that even if he isn't liable for the debt, his interest in the property is subject to the lien of the mortgage.  If he sells the house the mortgage should be paid off out of the purchase price.  He might get to keep the net proceeds but the debt gets paid, and the mortgage is satisfied.  While I'm not an accountant, CPA or attorney, I'm hard pressed to believe that if the mortgage is paid in full from the sales price the wife has to worry about getting a 1099.

Post: Deed vs mortgage

Peter WaltherPosted
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Quote from @Matthew Paul:

If the man wanted to he could sell the house and keep the profit 


 Are you willing to insure the OP if she buys the house?

Post: Deed vs mortgage

Peter WaltherPosted
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Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Shannon L Fogarty:

Thanks for your reply. Let me be clear, I'm not the wife in this situation. This is a messy situation for the ex- couple. The husband couldn't qualify for a mortgage (and still doesn't), but the wife did. At the time, when presented with how did they want the deed, she wanted her husband on the deed too. Fast-forward to the divorce (messy, bad, abuse, etc.) According to her, her attorney really dropped the ball.  She ended up being removed from the deed. Husband was supposed to take over the mortgage, but didnt qualify.

Last summer, she decided to take her kids and move to a neighboring city. (Too many bad memories) She told us that she wanted to sell the house and be done with all of it. She wasn't looking to make money, just wanted to get away from it. She also stated that her ex owes her about $50,000 for something, but would take $5,000 to walk away. The house is valued at about $260,000. She offered it to us for $135,000.00. Husband agreed to sign off the deed for $5,000.

Now she is having second thoughts. 

If we approached him with the $5,000 and had the deed put in our name, could we pay off the mortgage and own the property? Would there be any legak ramifications to this?


 I would get an attorney or agent involved and in reality you should only be dealing with him as he owns the home unless there is a court order elsewhere that gives her some rights tothe property


I think it's possible the final decree of divorce or the property settlement agreement required her to give him a deed in return for him paying her equity.  If he failed to pay, it could be construed to be a failure of consideration so the deed fails and she's still in title with him and all he can convey is his half.  All this is speculation though.

Post: Deed vs mortgage

Peter WaltherPosted
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I suggest you write up a contract with your seller and take it and your GFD to a local title agent.  They'll produce a title commitment with the requirements they think are necessary to get you insurable title.

Post: Does satisfying the first mortgage clear out the 2nd LIEN?

Peter WaltherPosted
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I believe in Florida, HOA liens have priority as of the recording of the declaration of the restrictions except for first mortgages where the lien has priority as of the recording of the lien. (Fla. Stat. 720.385) So if the junior lien holders were properly served, their interest should be extinguished. However, as Jay suggested, ask a title agent for a commitment to issue you a policy and see what they would take exception for.

Post: Which professional to contact for transfer of property

Peter WaltherPosted
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Quote from @Emilie Pa:
Quote from @Peter Walther:

Assuming your corp received a title policy when it acquired the property, you could go back to the attorney or title agent that handled that closing and ask them 1. can they prepare the deed; 2. can they issue an endorsement to the policy changing the name of the insured to you as the Grantee.


 Thank you so much. That is very helpful. I didn't think about the policy change. I'll contact the title agent!


 You're welcome.

Post: Which professional to contact for transfer of property

Peter WaltherPosted
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Assuming your corp received a title policy when it acquired the property, you could go back to the attorney or title agent that handled that closing and ask them 1. can they prepare the deed; 2. can they issue an endorsement to the policy changing the name of the insured to you as the Grantee.

Post: 2nd Lien Private Lending Collateralized by Cash flowing Investment Real Estate

Peter WaltherPosted
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Quote from @Stefan Tsvetkov:

@Beth Johnson Would you know the exact set of title elements completed by conventional HELOC lenders? I used to have a primary residence HELOC for $200k, with full closing costs at ~$500-1000. Got similarly low closing costs for further investment property HELOCs I pulled. A refinance of the same dollar amount would run at ~5 times the above title work costs for the same properties.

I am puzzled as to why private lenders would not be competitive closing costs wise vs. HELOC lenders. How do traditional HELOC lenders stay protected?

P.S. I live in NYC, own properties in multiple states.


This is the trouble HELOC lenders got into by not getting a traditional title policy.

BofA Sues First American Over Title Insurance Claims - MortgageOrb

I suggest you start by reading the insurance policy, starting with the definition section which should tell you who is insured.  I'd also carefully read the section on how the loss payment is made.